Howdy, Looks great. I can go along with almost all of the rules and guidelines so far. Other's have pointed out that we should encourage the contestants to provide certain information, such as a plan of the aquascape, but this should not be a requirement. I agree. I do not agree with having tank dimensions and/or volume fall under the optional heading. If this is the case we may as well throw out the part about dividing entries up into different categories. This goes back to that "faked" discussion that was going on earlier. How are we going to feel when we put someone's 120 gallon in a class with much smaller tanks? Or has it been decided that tank size is irrelevant and a 2.5 gallon should be capable of competing with a 240 gallon? (Or vice versa.) Maybe I'm just beating my head against the wall needlessly here. Sure, it may not be that difficult to estimate the size of a tank based on the photographs, but what if it is? I know we want to keep things simple, and I know that a lot of people may not know the concentration of nitrates in their tanks, but the SIZE of their tank?! Come on, that shouldn't be any more challenging than providing their address, IMHO. Tell 'em to get out their tape measures and learn it if they don't know it! :-) Dave E. wrote: Are we just going to make people judge their place for themselves if they're not in the top three? Maybe I'm missing something? James replied: I see nothing wrong with making the raw scores available on the website - what does everyone else think? Dave V. writes: Maybe this is what you're saying James, so forgive me if that's true: In determining a category winner using Karen's system I would think you would need to rank all of the entries in the category. One judge's 1st place could be another judge's last place (theoretically). I see no reason why we should not make public all of the rankings, all of the scores (both category and total), and all of the comments. Cheers, Dave VanderWall Minneapolis, MN, USA where we don't use litres... except when purchasing soda :-) p.s. My ISP is apparently having problems accessing The Krib, so I have to go with the digest which means I'm always a day or so behind the discussion. :-( ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest