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RE: AGA CONTEST - Digest V1 #262
I think that the Name of Photographer should be per entry but that is just
me.
Another thought I had is ... would it be a good idea to include web site
address for people's home pages (or personal aquascaping pages) if they have
one along with the name and address info so that it can be displayed with
each entry? I thought that if I was looking at some really neat tanks in the
showcase and there was a web site that might have a lot more info or more
pictures, I would like to check it out. What does everyone think?
As for James' suggestions about timing, I think that it would be a nice goal
to shoot for.
Jason Luebke
Minneapolis, MN
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AGA CONTEST - Digest Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 262
In this issue:
Re: Photo Update Page
Photographer credit: By Photo, by Entry or by entrant?
Name Changes
Photo Credit
Re: Name Changes
Title Graphic
More on the timing of the announcement
Localization for the Showcase site
Re: Name Changes
Re: Title Graphic
Re: Photo Credit
Re: Going Public....
Re: Going Public....
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:13:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Re: Photo Update Page
Got it. Silly C compiler.
- Erik
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Erik Olson wrote:
> Sounds like a bug; you should only get those options if you said "Delete
> this Photo". I'll look at it first thing tomorrow.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, James Purchase wrote:
>
> > Erik, on the page which is displayed after you enter a photo caption
(Photo
> > Updated), you have two hyperlinks at the bottom of the page -
> >
> > Yes, Really Delete This Entry
> >
> > No, Don't Delete This Entry
> >
> > Wouldn't it be better to say "Save this Entry" or "Continue" or "Would
you
> > like to save this photo/entry and continue?" rather than "Don't Delete
This
> > Entry"? Just to let people know exactly what they can expect when they
hit
> > that button.
> >
> > James
> >
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:36:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Photographer credit: By Photo, by Entry or by entrant?
I'm going over my list and finalizing the bits I need to finalize... one
was the "Name of Photographer, if not the Entrant" field.
Should this be on the entrant form, the entry (aquaascape), or by photo?
Highly tempted to put this on a per-photo, but what do y'all think?
- Erik
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:17:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Name Changes
In anticipation of going live, I've changed the names to (hopefully)
the "real" ones...
URL: http://showcase.aquatic-gardeners.org
Info mail: showcase@aquatic-gardeners.org (bounces to James and me
now - changable)
Submissions: images@aquatic-gardeners.org (bounces to me)
Only we know about this URL at this point.
No links from the official AGA site until James gives the go-ahead (so
better write that welcome message soon! :)
Ideally, we'd like to be able to say something about this at the NEC
event this Friday, which is the closest thing the AGA has to an annual
meeting. It might just be a "stay tuned to the aga website", but it'd be
REALLY cool if that were the official unveiling venue.
Could we pull it off in full?
If not, Could we pull it off in "partial", with a limited version of the
site?
- Erik
PS: Still on my list:
* That photographer box
* We have those photos from Amano and Wim (the dutch guy). Would like
to integrate into the site, but not sure if they should be a sample
entry, or sprinkled around on the static pages to keep people's
interest up.
* By same token, James noted a few weeks ago that people are thinking
this "plants only", so I wanted to add a nice non-plantish example, such
as an African Rift lake biotope and maybe a good example of an artificial.
But I don't have any photos illustrating this (yet).
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:19:06 -0600
From: "James Purchase" <jpurch@interlog.com>
Subject: Photo Credit
Erik wrote:
"I'm going over my list and finalizing the bits I need to finalize... one
was the "Name of Photographer, if not the Entrant" field.
Should this be on the entrant form, the entry (aquaascape), or by photo?
Highly tempted to put this on a per-photo, but what do y'all think?"
I'd tend to go with your final temptation - the photo credit is specific to
the image and it is possible for someone to have more than one person take
photos of their tank for a submission. I think that there should be a blurb
there as well regarding how, if the person who TOOK the photograph isn't the
person SUBMITTING the photograph, then we shall need a signed release form
from them (this might not be a bad idea anyway, just to protect the AGA). A
release need not be complicated (I've signed enough of them) and it could be
something that they send in with the check for payment of their entry fee.
James Purchase
Toronto
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:40:49 -0600
From: "James Purchase" <jpurch@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: Name Changes
Please refer to Erik's last message for references to this stuff -
Re - name changes - fine by me - I like the fact that we shall call it
"showcase" rather than "contest".
Re - announcement - you want to announce next Friday????????? The AGA MC
hasn't said boo to me about final approval yet.... so we don't even know for
sure if this is a go or not. We also haven't heard any further change
requests that they might have - especially the entry fee for AGA members
issue.
The BIGGEST thing which needs to be discussed (other than finalizing the web
site, which is coming along very nicely) is the TIMING. It takes a minimun
of 4 months for some print publications to get something into print from the
time they receive notice of it. I know that we are concentrating mainly on
e-mail contact but we shall HAVE to time this so that people who find out
via TAG, AFM, TFH, etc. have a chance to prepare and submit an entry. This
would probably mean at LEAST another 2 month space following the time those
magazines hit the stands. The judges will need time (at least a month,
possibly two) to review the entries after the "closing date" before we can
have an "announcement of winners", which I would REALLY like to happen in
the year 2000.
It is the middle of March now. "IF" the AGA MC can give us a decision VERY
soon, I can get some letters prepared for the various magazines and get them
out by the 1st of April. That takes us to the end of July. Two more months
on that takes us to the end of September.
What about a closing date for entries of September 30th, 2000. If we give
ourselves (and the judges) 2 months to finalize things, we could announce
the winners on November 30th, 2000. This would avoid the bulk of the
"Christmas rush" in the post office if prizes and awards have to be sent
out.
I'd like to hear some spirited debate over the timing issue. Please feel
free to speak up if you have any ideas or opinions about the timing I'm
proposing.
Don't forget that we also need to discuss who is going to judge this, but
for the announcement it isn't necessary for us to have specific names of
judges.
Re: the text for the "Welcome" page - I've been holding off on this, waiting
to hear from the AGA. Until they tell me one way or another if this is a go
or not, and/or if they are going to request further changes, it is difficult
to write anything describing the event.
Re: the photos from Wim and Amano - sprinkle them around the site as you see
fit (you may want to resize them so that they load faster, some of them are
huge files)
As for photos of tanks OTHER than plant tanks - I'd love to see some, but
there are over a dozen people reading this who could possibly be sources -
does ANYONE maintain a nice Rift Lake aquascape or Paludarium that we could
use?????
James Purchase
Toronto
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:45:18 -0600
From: "James Purchase" <jpurch@interlog.com>
Subject: Title Graphic
Erik, what are you planning for the title graphic? The one we are using was
designed for a specific (and different) idea of the site, and should
probably be replaced.
James
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:49:54 -0600
From: "James Purchase" <jpurch@interlog.com>
Subject: More on the timing of the announcement
Don't forget that parts of the web-site shall need to be translated into
other languages to service the "international" flavour I've harped on since
last year. Is it O.K. if this takes place AFTER the official announcement
(meaning that the web-site is in English only when it first goes live)?
Erik, how are you going to intergrate the other languages (or the selection
of the other languages) into the site?
James
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:54:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Localization for the Showcase site
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, James Purchase wrote:
> Don't forget that parts of the web-site shall need to be translated into
> other languages to service the "international" flavour I've harped on
since
> last year. Is it O.K. if this takes place AFTER the official announcement
> (meaning that the web-site is in English only when it first goes live)?
>
> Erik, how are you going to intergrate the other languages (or the
selection
> of the other languages) into the site?
Here's how we sit on that issue right now (from the technical side):
1. The good news is that every word you read on the site that's not
something from an entrant comes from a "resource table" in the database.
There are currently about 200 of these resources, ranging from the
guidelines pages all the way down to the individual labels for each entry
fields.
The resource table in turn is created from an ASCII text file with special
markers. It has stuff that looks like this:
*****@@STRING_ID .htmlheader
AGA International Aquascaping Showcase and Contest
*****@@STRING_ID .button-add-entrant
Add New Entrant
*****@@STRING_ID .button-add-entry
Add New Aquascape
*****@@STRING_ID page.guidelines-contest
<H1>Contest Guidelines</H1>
<P>This section contains information specific to the Contest portion of
the event.
<ol>
<li><p>Entrants may enter their aquascape in the Showcase without also
entering it in the Contest. This is done through a check box on the Entry
Form.</p>
.
.
...and so on.
I make changes to wording of the site by editing this file and then
"importing" it back into the database. This is nice because it's all done
in place while the site is still running.
2. Once we have a translator set up, I can send them the current
english-language resource file to translate. They send back, say, a
German version, which I then import into another table separate from the
english one. Then it's a matter of telling the program that runs the
website to pick up its strings from the german table instead of the
english one when requested. I was going to test this feature out by
initially translating everything into pig latin, but I thought better of
it.
3. Now, to get the new language to the user, I'm figuring that I'll use
the language information sent by the browser to trigger this initially,
but maybe have some way to override this via a setting. I'm not familiar
with the how the language type is transmitted to the CGI layer yet (but
I'm guessing it's via another environment variable).
- Erik
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:17:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Re: Name Changes
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, James Purchase wrote:
> Re - announcement - you want to announce next Friday????????? The AGA MC
> hasn't said boo to me about final approval yet.... so we don't even know
for
> sure if this is a go or not. We also haven't heard any further change
> requests that they might have - especially the entry fee for AGA members
> issue.
Good grief, I don't know what to say here.
I will say that I would not start using an aquatic-gardeners.org domain
name for the site until it got full approval from the board.
> I'd like to hear some spirited debate over the timing issue. Please feel
> free to speak up if you have any ideas or opinions about the timing I'm
> proposing.
I thought that the timing would be:
1. get website prepared
2. get AGA approval
3. decide on dates
4. announce website location, PR to clubs and magazines, search for judges
So yeah, you're right, without #3, we can't clearly do #4, so I retract my
request. However, maybe we can do
2a. Announce that there will be a showcase, and how it will work.
And people should watch the website for further details soon.
- Erik
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Re: Title Graphic
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, James Purchase wrote:
> Erik, what are you planning for the title graphic? The one we are using
was
> designed for a specific (and different) idea of the site, and should
> probably be replaced.
I had an idea at one point of having a sort of "mega-aquascape" where
three or four different aquascapes blended from one to another along the
banner almost like an escher print, so we could have, for instance, a
planted aquarium that faded into a series of rocks, that faded into a
mangrove root system. Or something like that. But not having, say, rocks
or mangrove root systems, I'm not sure how feasible this is currently.
Maybe, as I said, I will get some ideas and photos at the NEC convention
this weekend.
I'll work on the photo stuff first anyway.
- Erik
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:59:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Re: Photo Credit
Could someone come up with a simple wording for a release?
:)
I've got the photographer spot in on the photo edit form.
- Erik
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, James Purchase wrote:
> Erik wrote:
>
> "I'm going over my list and finalizing the bits I need to finalize... one
> was the "Name of Photographer, if not the Entrant" field.
> Should this be on the entrant form, the entry (aquaascape), or by photo?
>
> Highly tempted to put this on a per-photo, but what do y'all think?"
>
> I'd tend to go with your final temptation - the photo credit is specific
to
> the image and it is possible for someone to have more than one person take
> photos of their tank for a submission. I think that there should be a
blurb
> there as well regarding how, if the person who TOOK the photograph isn't
the
> person SUBMITTING the photograph, then we shall need a signed release form
> from them (this might not be a bad idea anyway, just to protect the AGA).
A
> release need not be complicated (I've signed enough of them) and it could
be
> something that they send in with the check for payment of their entry fee.
>
> James Purchase
> Toronto
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:48:45 -0600
From: "James Purchase" <jpurch@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: Going Public....
Erik wrote:
"Good grief, I don't know what to say here."
Neither do I, you are on the AGA MC, so I would assume that you will know
more about the status of the project than I do. Has any discussion taken
place recently about this? The Proposal was submitted via e-mail to each MC
member on the 24th of January. Way back when, Karen had guess-timated that
it might take the MC a month to decide.... we are well past that now, but
the MC members might have other things on their plates which I am not aware
of.
The localization stuff regarding languages sound cool. As I advised before,
we have Spanish, German, Danish and Chinese translators lined up. But I'm
still hesitant about asking them to do anything until this is DEFINATELY a
go, and there are no further MC requested changes to implement.
Your idea regarding the photo montage sounds nice - hope that you can come
up with some photos - does ANYONE else reading this have any photos?
"I thought that the timing would be:
1. get website prepared
2. get AGA approval
3. decide on dates
4. announce website location, PR to clubs and magazines, search for judges"
I agree with the timing (or at least the order), just remember that the web
site can't be finalized until the AGA signs off, as they could request
changes/adjustments. As I said before, writing final drafts of things like
the "welcome page" (b.t.w. - I hate that phrase) and the announcements can't
be done until we know exactly WHAT we are announcing, and that won't be
finalized until the AGA MC has taken the vote.
I am hesitant about making any public announcement until we have not only
the approval but also the dates finalized. this is going to one of the first
questions people will have (the second will probably be - "What can I
win?"). I suppose that if you tell people at the NEC that they sould
"expect" a major announcement shortly that would be O.K., but we could end
up with even more egg on our faces if something is announced and this whole
thing is nixed by the MC.
Give me your opinion on the September 30th closing date.
James Purchase
Toronto
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:20:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
Subject: Re: Going Public....
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, James Purchase wrote:
> Erik wrote:
>
> "Good grief, I don't know what to say here."
>
> Neither do I, you are on the AGA MC, so I would assume that you will know
> more about the status of the project than I do. Has any discussion taken
> place recently about this?
Hmm, I'm not the one who would be able to let you know if it passed,
that's the job of the steering committee chair. But as AGA web guy, I
certainly might start moving pages around or changing names of things if
it did pass.
> I agree with the timing (or at least the order), just remember that the
web
> site can't be finalized until the AGA signs off, as they could request
> changes/adjustments. As I said before, writing final drafts of things like
> the "welcome page" (b.t.w. - I hate that phrase) and the announcements
can't
> be done until we know exactly WHAT we are announcing, and that won't be
> finalized until the AGA MC has taken the vote.
And as I said before, I wouldn't DREAM of trying to start finalizing
things unless it came to a vote and passed.
> I am hesitant about making any public announcement until we have not only
> the approval but also the dates finalized. this is going to one of the
first
> questions people will have (the second will probably be - "What can I
> win?"). I suppose that if you tell people at the NEC that they sould
> "expect" a major announcement shortly that would be O.K., but we could end
> up with even more egg on our faces if something is announced and this
whole
> thing is nixed by the MC.
Certainly I would not even *imagine* asking you about announcing something
at the NEC if the MC hasn't voted yes and accepted the proposal.
> Give me your opinion on the September 30th closing date.
Sounds quite obtainable. Especially if it might have passed by now.
- Erik
(Excuse me while I go clobber Bob Cashin now.)
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