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Re: MCM - Digest V1 #146
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Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 7:16 AM
Subject: MCM - Digest V1 #146
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>MCM - Digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 146
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> Re: MCM - Digest V1 #144
> PAM
> Re: Commercial Links off Website
> Re: Commercial Links off Website
> Re: MCM - Digest V1 #145
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>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:27:22 -0400
>From: "Robert P. Cashin" <rcashin@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: MCM - Digest V1 #144
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>On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:16:25 -0700 owner-aga-mcm-digest@thekrib.com (MCM
>- - Digest) writes:
>>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>>Subject: Commercial Links off Website
>>
>> 1. Should I add M3 to the listing?
>
> Yes
>
>> 2. Should I split up the links into research (aka Jan B's crypt
>>page) and business pages?
>
> Yes
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>> 3. Should I add ANY business that asks? NONE? Always ask the MCM?
>
> I think we should set up some guidelines so you can decide each time and
>only when the decision could be controversial, involve the MC or SC.
>
> What do the rest of you think?
>
> Bob
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>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:30:32 -0400
>From: "Robert P. Cashin" <rcashin@juno.com>
>Subject: PAM
>
>Hi All,
>
> Let me try to summarize as an attempt to see I've got things correct.
>Dave Gomberg is trying to start a business, PAM. It will be owned by the
>people and/or organizations that put money into it and by Dave (
>stockholders ). He will use Herlong to print the magazine. Dave will be
>responsible for getting advertising and quality articles, etc. He will
>also take directions from the stockholders regarding the trends and types
>of contents.
>
> He wants the AGA to participate in two ways. The first is for us to stop
>TAG and instead have him send PAM to our members in return for part of
>the membership dollars which we collect. PAM will have a defined number
>of pages edited by the AGA which we can use for providing info on coming
>events, chairmans reports, etc.
>
> The second way he wants us to participate is to provide money up front
>so we become stockholders in PAM. For an estimated $3000 we can become
>the majority stockholder, but we don't have to put that much in, or even
>anything if we don't want to. The advantage of being a majority
>stockholder is that we can control the overall scope of the magazine, but
>not the day to day issues.
>
> Another issue is that if the stockholders decide to replace Dave as
>editor, it will have to give him one years notice.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. What does majority mean? 51%?
>
> 2. What happens if Herlong becomes unreliable? Will the cost of
> putting out the magazine increase if we have to switch printers?
>
> 3. Dave is taking his earnings as stock. If I understand correctly,
> given enough time he will become the majority stockholder. How will
>that effect AGA's level of control?
>
> 4. As a stockholder we will expect to receive a portion of the profits.
> I assume that means that if we own 51% we will receive 51% of the
> profits. Oh the other hand, as stockholders, we will have to make up
> part of the losses. Again, I assume 51% ownership would cost us 51%
>of the loss. How can the AGA limit the amount it will lose if things
>turn bad?
>
> 5. I'd also like to hear Dave's reaction to AGA being 100% owner and
> have AGA control the mag which would remain TAG, instead of PAM.
>
> cu, Bob
>
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>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:03:56 -0400
>From: "Bob McCaw" <rmccaw@mediaone.net>
>Subject: Re: Commercial Links off Website
>
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: <krandall@world.std.com>
>To: <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: Commercial Links off Website
>
>
>> At 09:44 AM 9/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Hi again,
>> >
>> >Just on the heels of Dave G asking to be linked from the AGA site, I got
>> >mail from Edward at M3 asking to be added since the AGA page "seems to
>> >have a number of commercial links and M3 is expanding their line of
>> >planted tank accessories". I'm thinking at this point to perhaps split
>the
>> >links into commercial and informational sections, the way I do on my
>> >Apisto Page (http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto). While M3 has generally
>> >gotten thumbs-up from people, this starts to become a can of worms when
>> >every business starts wanting links, and then we have to have an
official
>> >policy.
>> >
>> >So,
>> > 1. Should I add M3 to the listing?
>>
>> I would say yes. If we're listing Dave's stuff, I see no reason not to
>> list M3.
>>
>> > 2. Should I split up the links into research (aka Jan B's crypt page)
>> > and business pages?
>>
>> I think that's a great idea. It makes it very clear which are purely
>> informational, and who is selling something. Maybe a statement on the
>> business link page that these links are provided to help our members find
>> products and services that may be of use to them, but that AGA does not
in
>> anyway endorse any of these products or businesses.
>>
>> > 2. Should I add ANY business that asks? NONE? Always ask the MCM?
>>
>> I'd be inclined to trust Erik's judgement over whether HE think you need
>to
>> bring it to the MC, or whether he feels confident adding it on his own.
>> (for instance a link to Tropica would, it seems to me, be without
>question,
>> while a link to Joe Shmoe's Red Georgia Clay might be something we wanted
>> to decide on together, based on whether any of us have any experience
with
>> the company or product, or have heard anything about the company's
>reputation.
>>
>> >PS: I got my TAG yesterday and updated the pages to reflect this.
>> >Congrats!
>>
>> Even though I proofed the galley copy, I'm _still_ itching to get my
hands
>> on the real thing!
>>
>> Karen
>
>Point of information - I would like to know if we are charging Dave or M3
>for being on our web site.
>
>Mary
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>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>Subject: Re: Commercial Links off Website
>
>On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Bob McCaw wrote:
>
>> Point of information - I would like to know if we are charging Dave or M3
>> for being on our web site.
>
>Hi Mary,
>
>No, we do not charge any of these people, nor are they actually "on" our
>site... we just have links to their own sites. This is also why I think
>it's very important that we add some kind of disclaimer that we don't
>endorse the businesses, just provide the links as information.
>
>One other possibility I've been mulling over (to make things less like an
>advertisement) is moving the links to their own page as well, so they're
>not so prominent on the first page you pull.
>
> - Erik
>
>- --
>Erik Olson
>erik at thekrib dot com
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>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:15:44 -0400
>From: Neil Frank <nfrank@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: MCM - Digest V1 #145
>
>DG: Neil and Karen, would you say the correct amount of scientific stuff is
>>zero? I don't think we should drag the level of PAM down to the most
>>illiterate whiner.
>
>NF: There is science and there is SCIENCE. I suggest we not include the
>hard science that deals with the ID of plants (if it is anything like the
>ID of fishes).
>
>Here is an example of an article from Ichthologica that I would NOT want in
>PAM:
>>From Ichtyologica, no. 1: "Pseudochhalceus kyburzi, a new Characid Fish
>from Colombia" (just pretend it is talking about a plant).
>
>Most of the article deals with detailed measurments. For example;
>
>"Rear edge of eye to rear edge or opercular membrane 149; 155; 141; 150;
>137. Eye to rear edge of posterior nasal opening..... etc.etc."
>
>>
>
>>
>>I agree completely. Thanks for patching up the omission. Also there
>>might be translations of watershed articles from the German/Dutch aquarium
>>plant press.
>
>NF: I can probably get you interesting articles from the Russian aquarium
>magazines. If not PAM, then TAG.
Hello All - I a couple of questions. Who is taking care of postage? What if
it goes up? Who is going to look after returns and address changes, etc.
Dorothy
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