James has made some suggestions for the convention that have some merit, and should be considered. BUT, I think it is important that James come to understand that future donations made for the benefit of AGA are for the benefit of AGA, not strictly the contest. The fact that he "got there first" doesn't mean that the contest has exclusive, ongoing rights to this largess. When he started the contest, it so happened that AGA had no other need to solicit donations. In the interim that has changed. AGa is finally on the move. Our projects have more to offer members, more to offer contributors and at the same time we are and will probably continue to be more in the need of donations. I personally think it is inappropriate to give out such huge prizes for the contest. James was the one who wanted to down-play the competitive nature of the event. The larger the prizes, the greater the incentive to compete just for prizes instead of fellowship, and the greater the temptation to cheat. In this particular case, this year, I feel that it is important that prizes solicited specifically for the contest be used for the contest. That was the way it was presented to contributors, and that was the impression the contest committee was working under. But NONE of us, including James, had any idea we'd get the response we got. Even James has stated more than once that there is almost an embarrassment of riches. Does James really think he would have received these donations if this were a "non-AGA" event? Not to in any way belittle their hard work, if he and the small group he worked with had gone to these vendors without an established, reputable organization behind them, how many vendors would have even considered sending all these donations? That was one of the reasons he was adamant about doing this project under AGA auspices from the very beginning. To answer James' comment that donating to the contest might be more attractive to vendors than donating to the AGA in general, I am not convinced that this is the case. But assuming that it is, there is a very simple solution. If all donations to AGA are solicited at once, we can very easily have a page (or pages) and links on the AGA general web site to thank these contributors and give them the same PR on an on-going basis that they are now receiving on the contest pages.(which, of course, by no coincidence also housed on the AGA web site) This can be done with or without the contest. We should NOT be soliciting donations specifically for either the contest OR another purpose. Donations don't have strings attached. You can check with Bob McCaw, but I _think_ that such donations are not even considered donations. More importantly, I don't think we can afford to tie the AGA's hands that way. What happens when we decide to do some other worthy project? Does it mean that that project has to stand in line as the "poor cousin" and survive only on the scraps left over after after the contest? It makes no sense to manage an organization based solely on "my project came first". Karen