On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, S. Hieber wrote:
As I recall, I did write EO because I wanted to check that the person hadn't purchased comvention DVDs and then renigged on his membership purchase. But that doensw't mean EO was fully informed of the claim or whatever. . . ________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:04:57 PM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Notification of chargeback reversal: Case ID#PP-670-623-212?-?A-A001 (fwd) yes. I wrote to Jenn (and possibly EO--don't recall exactly) to see if anyone knew anything about it or if a shipment had been made or not -- even if a shipment was made the person could have objected to the condition of the material -- I wroite the person -- the text I sent to the customer was this: "I understand you are disatisfied with your purchase of an AGA membership and 3 back issues. That makes us unhappy too and we'd like to resolve the matter as quickly as possible. Normally, we issue refunds to anyone who asks for one, but since you filed claim with your credit card issuer, this matter might now take a bit longer to resolve. However, we will work for a speedy resolution. We'd appreciate knowing the nature of the problem so that we might better serve folks in the future. Thanks, Scott Hieber, Treasurer" I received no response form the person. Did not get an indicatin that the items had been shipped and reported that I was refunding, or some such language -- direct refund was not possible because the claim froze the transaction pending settlement. I told paypal we were not at fault but would not dispute refunding the money. I wouldn't have objected if someone wanted to handle this diff. I doubt I brought this up for full board cnsideration -- doubt that I would in the future. I doubt the full board would want to be actively involved at this level of transactional analysis ;-) Comments, corrections, welcome. sh ________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Cheryl Rogers <cheryl@dustyuniverse.com> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Notification of chargeback reversal: Case ID#PP-670-623-212?-?A-A001 (fwd) I agree, but Erik wanted to know if we ever communicated with PAYPAL. I, myself, did not. Cheryl Mike Hellweg wrote: There are unfortunately several folks out there that like to jump the gun if you don't reply to them within minutes of their purchase. They don't understand what it means to be a volunteer run organization, and don't realize that most other people have lives outside of their computer. They also don't understand basic human communication. Coming from a long-time retail management background, I can tell you that the pain-in-the-neck customers are just that, all the time. Nothing you can do will ever really placate them. Now that I own the business, my general rule of thumb when dealing with someone like this is just give them what they want that time to get rid of them, then to not deal with them again. I just don't have time to deal with people like that. There are plenty of good people out there. PayPal does prefer to see items shipped within 7 days of a purchase. But if we set up something that says "will be shipped within 3 - 4 weeks" or something like that, we should be okay. My two cents from the sidelines... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: S. Hieber To: AGA Advisory Committee Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Notification of chargeback reversal: Case ID#PP-670-623-212?-?A-A001 (fwd) The guy ordered, waited for like two weeks or so, heard nothing, and filed claim. It would have been better for him and us if he jsut wrote to us insteaed of filing the claim. It took him a few weeks longer to get his money through this method and cost us $10. Once a claim was filed, we couldn't even issue a refund through paypal. I wrote him about this nicely and got no response. We could hav fought it excpet tht we pretty much act generaly as if we have a satisfaction gauranty, so why would we? And who's time is worth less than $10? I don't recall this happening before. Do we issue a notice upon purchase that delivery might take x weeks and a tracking number cannot be provided -- just letting folks know thaqt up front might help -- although this is a rare occurence, more often someone writes to ask, what gives, haven't heard anything since purchase. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Jenn to write an email every time a prurchase is made but maybe we can put the delivery info in sales confirmation? Maybe we already do, I haven't bought off the website myself. sh ________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Notification of chargeback reversal: Case ID #PP-670-623-212?-?A-A001 (fwd) I know nothing about it at all! Karen -----Original Message----- From: aga-mcm-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:aga-mcm-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Erik Olson Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:28 PM To: aga-mcm@thekrib.com Subject: [AGA-mcm] Notification of chargeback reversal: Case ID #PP-670-623-212?-?A-A001 (fwd) This is so incredibly not cool. Did we send PayPal anything to indicate we sent them the back issues? -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: service@paypal.com Reply-To: chargeback-appeal1@paypal.com To: agafunds@aquatic-gardeners.org Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:05:15 Subject: Notification of chargeback reversal: Case ID #PP-670-623-212?-?A-A001 Dear Erik Olson, We recently notified you that one of your buyers filed a chargeback indicating that merchandise received had one of the following problems: - It was damaged or defective - It was not as described, or - Services were not rendered It is PayPal's standard practice to attempt to dispute wrongful chargebacks. After careful consideration of the information provided by you and the buyer regarding the transaction detailed below, we have determined that we will be unable to successfully dispute this chargeback with the buyer's credit card issuer. Also, PayPal was charged a settlement fee. As a result we debited your PayPal account to pay for this fee. This action was taken in accordance with the terms of the PayPal User Agreement. Please review the transaction information below and other details about this case. ----------------------------------- Details of Disputed Transaction ----------------------------------- Buyer's Name:Franklin Federmann Buyer's Email:federmanncpa@msn.com Buyer's Transaction ID: 08115935YA036462G Transaction Date:Mar 16, 2009 Transaction Amount:-$32.00 USD Case #:PP-670-623-212 Your Transaction ID: 51W79448SY226703S ----------------------------------- What to Do Next ----------------------------------- This case is now closed. No additional steps are required by you. ----------------------------------- Other Details ----------------------------------- Reason for Reversal: Seller authorized refund to buyer To learn more about how PayPal disputes chargebacks or how your transactions could qualify for the PayPal Seller Protection Policy, go to the PayPal website and click the Security Center link located at the bottom of any page. For further assistance, please log in to your PayPal account and click the Help link located in the top right corner of any page, or email our Chargeback Department at the email address below. Be sure to include your case ID number in the subject of the email. Thank you for your patience and cooperation in helping us with this matter. We appreciate your business and regret that you experienced a chargeback. Sincerely, PayPal Chargeback Department Email: chargeback-appeal1@paypal.com Fax: 402-537-5755 CB:PP-670-623-212:R1:USD32.00:03/30/2009:51W79448SY226703S ---------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal Email ID PP768 _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm ________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm ______________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm
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