Wendy wrote: Not long after reading Diana Walstad's book, I acquired another 20 gallon high and decided to set it up as a no-tech tank, since my 5-gallon is doing so well. I used a fine sand sold for children's sand boxes, rich Kentucky clay soil that has not seen chemical fertilizer in at least 8 years, probably longer, a layer of boiled peat atop the soil, topped off with sand. The tank sits in a NE-facing window, and has one T8 sunlight bulb. It is populated with 6 male guppies, 4 German Rams, 4 adult Glow light tetras plus 3 juveniles, and 3 Otocinclus. The water is treated with homemade peat extract to maintain pH around 6.8. Nitrates are below the limit of detection and all the fish appear to be in excellent health. Wendy, I would not use erythromycin at all but if you do, please find temporary quarters for the fish. I feel your pain, having been there myself, and suggest you redo your substrate: the fine sand is working like an occlusive patch over a lot of organics (clay, peat) which is causing the problem. Use a much coarser sand mixed with profile or similar material to provide a looser substrate. If nitrates like you said are below detection, the lighting is adequate, overfeeding and overfertilization is not going on, then oxygen deficiency is suspect. Using erythromycin is a nice bandaid, but not definitive tx. Check the krib and apd archives for a whole passel of info on this subject. Good luck, Bill ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe aga-member" in the body of the message. Archives of this list can be found at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-member/