I hope no one minds me asking about fish, but as aquatic plant nuts are the most likely to have Siamese Algae Eaters (Crossocheilus siamensis) in their tanks, I though I'd start with you ;-) Mostly I'd like to know if anyone has had successful spawning of SAE's, as I haven't found any records of it yet. The best resources I've found so far have been: http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/Algae-Eaters/ http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=50435 <http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=50435&genusname=Cross ocheilus&speciesname=siamensis> &genusname=Crossocheilus&speciesname=siamensis I have a number of SAE's in several tanks, most of them still quite young and small. In my 38 gallon tank, however, I have three SAE's, the largest of whom is about 5 inches long. The next largest is perhaps 4 1/2 inches or so, and the third is just a hair smaller. The two largest ones have been occasionally chasing one another around, but they don't seem very aggressive about it (i.e., maybe it's a beginning stage of courtship?). Occasionally the two largest ones will have their stripes go pale while they're interacting with one another, and they never seem aggressive when this is going on. Yesterday the two largest SAE's were hanging around some large Cryptocoryne lutea. One had very pale stripes, while the largest one was positively glowing with yellowish highlights and extremely dark stripes. They were both doing the wiggly-fin dance with each other (that fin flutter that seems to serve for species identification and bonding or whatever else), but the largest one escalated to incredibly intense fin-wiggling along with body gyrations which kept bringing its vent in contact with the edge of a C. lutea leaf. I didn't observe any eggs actually being laid, nor did I see any ventral contact between the two, but this could only have been spawning behavior. Tonight I'm seeing some more interactions between the two, with the medium-sized one approaching the largest one, them both swimming vertically while the medium-sized one turned pale. Then they both took off to the corner with the C. lutea again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed they'll keep this up and that they actually will spawn! FYI, the tank is heavily planted with crypts, vallisneria types, java moss, and a few stem plants. The pH stays around 7.9 - 8.0, and the water has a carbonate hardness of about 14. Tankmates are a Royal Farlowella (Sturisoma panamense), two large male angelfish, six otos of at least two different species, and five adult Corydoras sterbai who have been spawning like crazy this spring. There are also an unknown and probably fairly large number of cory fry which keep appearing once they get about an inch long or so. The SAE's love eating the live California blackworms I feed the corys and the angels, and they have also been nipping the fins of the angels (but I upped their supplementary feeding of different algae tablets,frozen foods, and Spectrum wafers, so the fin-nipping has died again down now). The SAE's look healthy as all get out, and they have a lovely sheen, even when they're not out-and-out-glowing like the largest one often is. So here's hoping on the possibility of a successful spawning. If any of you have any further information, I'm all eyes and ears! Thanks! Kirsten Kirsten Klinghammer Rescue, California, USA _______________________________________________ AGA-Member mailing list AGA-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-member