Thanks for the input, Neil. That helps a lot! I really like your ideas of a literature review and opening up communication in the eastern European areas. Would you be interested in doing the lit. review? As far as membership is concerned, while I agree that it should be a goal for AGA, it should not be a direct goal of the TAG committee. Although I think that a better TAG will help raise our membership numbers, any direct work on that front needs to be handled by another committee. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Frank" <nfrank@mindspring.com> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: Re: TAG ideas (long) > Karen, You have put together a pretty complete palette! > > >Finances: > > > >Find out: > >*Who is doing printing now? > >*What are the costs of: > > -Black and White > > -Color pages > > -Color covers and inside cover > > -Mixed > > -Numerical cost breaks > > -Mailing > >*Can we get better quality and/or better price elsewhare? > > >From my experience, the cost per color cover was the same as inside color. > A page is a page. Clearly, the color cover is flashier - we only had a few > issues with full color covers because there was more content value with > color on the inside. I elected to use "slick" paper for color printing and > cheaper paper for text only. I only used "cover stock" for the first issue > (It did not fold well). Once I learned that duotone was only a few bucks > more, I used it consistently. > I always liked the look and feel of the slick paper thoughout (like BB), > but did not think we wanted to spend the $$, so instead developed the > 'convention' of using thin slick paper for cover. To the extent that > anything stays the same thru multiple issues, the printing costs can be > reduced... because the printer can make more copies... and even use a > bigger press. I thought about having all the covers printed with the same > color photo (with overprinted dates and issue numbers), but found it more > convenient to tell the issues apart if they had different colors. One idea > that I never implemented was to make extra copies of individual color > pages to be used for other purposes - ads, brochures, flyers, membership > applications. The incremental costs drops greatly after 1,000 or so copies. > For getting best pricing on printing , I would suggest asking Dave G. I > always felt he was person to ask when you wanted to find the best deal... > not just printing! > > > > >Can we afford to pay: > > *$50 per new feature length article ($100-$150 per issue) > > *$10 per photo ($100-$150 per issue?) (ask for donated material when > >possible) > > *Annual award for best article and best photo ($$??) > > To answer these questions, the board would probably want to see the TOTAL > cost per issue which includes editorial staff pay, content pay, printing > (function of number of pages), etc... minus revenue (ads, > subscriptions,etc). For photo payment, you might vary for cover and small > vs. large prints (even though photo quality is exactly the same)... as > alternative to best photo. > > > > >How much do we need to charge for ads? > >*Full page color ads should pay for at least that whole sheet of paper (3 > >add'l pages) > >*Cover ads should pay for cover the add'l cost of mailing magazines in an > >envelope > >*Ads less than a full page in size must be paid in advance for one full year > >(4 issues) and must have B&W and color options > > I'm glad you mentioned envelope... I am definitely tired of getting a torn > TAG in the mail. If you choose not to use wrapper (which can be paper > evelope, or plastic shink wrap), then PLEASE do not use the paper tab which > is supposed to keep it closed. I think those darn things get stuck in the > postoffice machines and contribute to the torn covers. > > > > >Short Term Goals (within 2002): > > *1-2 New feature articles per issue (try to have one more technical, one > >beginner-ish) > > *1 Asian article (Amano) per issue (translated) > > *1 European article per issue (translated) > > *Featured plant > >*Featured tank or aquarist > > Can be submitted by members or chosen from contest entries > >(ask owner to answer questions about the tank via the members' list) > > *Tips gleaned from APD and elsewhere > > *Local/Regional club news > >*rotate full ads for back issues, book store, etc. (don't need more than a > >website pointer in every issue) > > *Some color in every issue > >*Move most of the administrivia to the web site, and include just pointers > >in the magazine > > All of the above sounds great. With the column approach mentioned by David, > it should be easier to keep material flowing (wish I thought of that!). I > was thinking about "tips from APD" and even have a large electronic file > with tips from years past.... but was never used. It was fun picking out > the wheat from the chaff. > Oh... how about literature reviews. This can include books (aquatic plant, > water garden,including beginner stuff), club mags, even stuff from american > and foreign mags (as a column as done in AQUAPHYTE and AQUA PLANTA, or > whenever). > > You may find that you will still need filler. That was the main reason that > TAG had ads for membership renewal, book store, etc. The selected ad fit > the available space. However,the space wasnt necessarily utilized in the > most creative way. I had the same inside front and back covers for > convenience only. I like your idea of rotating. > > > > *Establish committees: > > -Advertising sales > > -Materials search > > -Translation (Tomoko Schum, Michael Ekherdt) > > --Have AGA buy subscriptions to promising foreign magazines for these > >people > > -Local club liaison (to collect news from local clubs) > > Looking at BB and the other TAG jobs that were discussed in previous > emails, maybe technical and production? > > It may be possible to re-establish links to Russia and eastern Europe. > There is a lot of amazing stuff that exists over there. My main contact has > recently died (Mark Mahlkin), but I have other contacts that I can work on > if there is interest. > > > > >*Develop strong link with Members' list > >-(Including monthly updates on news/announcements) > > *Develop an electronic archive of photos and drawings by species/subject > > > >Long Term Goals: > > * Financially Self-sustaining > >*Full color > >*6 times annually > > > > As a related TAG long-term goal, I would add boosting membership (though > better advertising) or possible store sales -- to allow more copies to > print. It would be great if we get membership to 1200-1500. Then full color > would be easy. > > Cant think of anything else. You covered it pretty well. > Neil > ------------------ > To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com > with "unsubscribe aga-sc" in the body of the message. > Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-sc > When asked, log in as username is "aga-sc", and password "incorp". ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-sc" in the body of the message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-sc When asked, log in as username is "aga-sc", and password "incorp".