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Re: Convention, Texas, and responsibilities
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, S. Hieber wrote:
> If we expect only a few proposers, then we might leave the
> % of split blank but let them know, informally,. that we're
> sort of expecting 50% on plant auction and reg fees -- or
> something like that. That way, we've left the door open to
> negotiate the split (on what and how much) rather than
> disuade some prospective proposers from submitting.
Hmm... one small point which I'm not sure anyone is getting is that I am
*not* saying we do a split on plant auction or reg fees, but 50% split on
NET, once bills have been paid. It is a very important distintion, mainly
because it says that if the convention loses money, then the local club is
responsible 50% (or whatever the split is) of that loss! The local club
needs to share in that burden.
Now maybe that burden is only 25%; that would be the part that is
negotiated. But that would still mean they share 25% of the risk. But I
beleive it is very important that the split be calculated on the NET,
rather than the GROSS income.
- Erik
> SH
> --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> > Interesting!
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, S. Hieber wrote:
> >
> > > We can let the proposers propose a split or we can
> > specify
> > > it. The value in doing the former is there only if
> > there
> > > are a large nubmer of competing proposers. imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Dorothy Reimer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Where is TCA? Sorry I don't know.
> > > >
> > > > TCA is the Texas Cichlid Association. Nice dedicated
> > > > group of folks
> > > > there, and based out of the Dallas-FtWorth area.
> > They
> > > > also have FOTAS,
> > > > the Federation of Texas Aquarium Societies, which
> > holds
> > > > an annual
> > > > convention (I think last year that was sponsored by
> > the
> > > > TCA). And lots
> > > > off their members are also involved with the ACA, so
> > > > they've been involved
> > > > in running conventions. These are all organizations
> > that
> > > > Houston *should*
> > > > have been involved with but wasn't. So in that
> > sense,
> > > > we'd get a totally
> > > > different (and hopefully larger) crowd!
> > > >
> > > > > Larry sounds like an active person with some good
> > > > ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Larry straddles two different organizations, so he
> > has
> > > > contacts with both.
> > > > He's been on several collecting trips in places like
> > > > Mexico, and has
> > > > written for the BB. He was the guest speaker on the
> > ACA
> > > > chat room last
> > > > Tuesday, and spoke about aquatic plants! He could
> > > > probably speak on
> > > > cichlids to the AGA. :)
> > > >
> > > > The thing that's cool is that Larry's not the only
> > one
> > > > with big ideas
> > > > there. They've got Tim Cincotta, Bailin Shaw, and a
> > > > bunch of other
> > > > people. Even Luis from Houston has joined their
> > group.
> > > > Check their
> > > > website at http://www.aquatic-plants.org It's very
> > nicely
> > > > done.
> > > >
> > > > > I would like to see it somewhere else than Texas
> > again
> > > > > but would not like to see not have a convention so
> > > > would go there again. It
> > > > > is not in the same city so would get some different
> > > > ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for checking in Dorothy! When I'm talking
> > with
> > > > these guys, it's
> > > > good to have a feel for what the entire board thinks.
> > > >
> > > > > I think that if we had our silent plant auction
> > and
> > > > they have a regular
> > > > > auction that this would be a good slit of profits.
> > > >
> > > > This would probably work for them. In fact, they'd
> > > > probably get way more
> > > > profits than the AGA would, because they could
> > arrange a
> > > > positively huge
> > > > auction. The Cleveland group, as Mike Meadows
> > mentioned,
> > > > could not get a
> > > > large auction together and would not make much profit
> > at
> > > > all.
> > > >
> > > > Like I've said several times now, I'm really starting
> > to
> > > > think we should
> > > > make this a straight 50/50 for everything. The AGA
> > can
> > > > loan the club
> > > > money for the expenses, but when the smoke clears, it
> > > > would look like
> > > > this:
> > > >
> > > > income (registrations + both auctions + raffles but
> > not
> > > > AGA memberships)
> > > > - all convention expenses (hotel + speakers +
> > > > equipment + tours + PR)
> > > > = Net profit or loss
> > > >
> > > > Half Net profit or loss to AGA (plus repayment of
> > loan),
> > > > Half to local
> > > > club (minus repayment of loan).
> > > >
> > > > Registration is open to either AGA or local club
> > members.
> > > > This
> > > > allows people who just want to check out the
> > convention
> > > > locally to
> > > > get in $20 cheaper. Non-members must either join the
> > > > local club or
> > > > the AGA. Both clubs keep their respective membership
> > > > income (but that's
> > > > the ONLY area where money is siphoned off the overall
> > > > income).
> > > >
> > > > The problem with the system we have right now is that
> > the
> > > > only thing the
> > > > local club is encouraged to do is have a big auction
> > of
> > > > their own, and
> > > > they have no responsibility in the costs. What I am
> > > > proposing will
> > > > encourage both the AGA and local club to have a
> > > > profitable convention, a
> > > > great plant auction, and a great live auction. And
> > Larry
> > > > just confirmed
> > > > that this is what the ACA does, which gives me more
> > > > confidence in its
> > > > feasibility.
> > > >
> > > > We could always adjust this from 50/50 to 60/40 or
> > 75/25
> > > > in negotiations
> > > > with the local club. But I feel it's very important
> > for
> > > > the local club to
> > > > have some share in the success or failure of the
> > event.
> > > >
> > > > - Erik
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Erik Olson
> > > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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