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and here's a text version
--- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:

> Hi Cheryl,
> 
> For someone who is still not completely computer lierate,
> would you mind 
> forwarding me Neil's attachment as a text file?  I can't
> figer out how to 
> get my fancy XP machine to open a Word Perfect file!<g>
> 
> Karen
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cheryl Rogers" <cheryl@wilstream.com>
> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board"
> <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] AGA History, circa 1990
> 
> 
> > Dang, Neil, this is good stuff. I am mesmerized. The
> technical/computer 
> > evolution alone is fascinating. You talk of 5.25 in
> floppy disks and being 
> > able to communicate via modem as a new thing.
> >
> > And they *were* injecting CO2 back then. Cool.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> > nfrank@mindspring.com wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> Recently i noticed that you honored Dorothy and me
> will life memberships. 
> >> Thanks for the recognition!  I have  since been
> thinking about the 
> >> origins of the AGA and perused my computer for any
> relevant 
> >> information.... and stumbled on electronic copies of
> letters i wrote in 
> >> 1990 which describe the formation of the current AGA.
> They capture the 
> >> discussions i had with Dorothy, Jare and others
> associated with the 
> >> AAGA.... all via snail mail. The letters are packaged
> into one file and 
> >> attached for the archives. I hope you find it
> interesting reading. 
> >> Probably should be resubmitted to the AGA mgt list as
> well.
> >> Neil
> >>
> >> PS. I have been reading this off and on and see that
> the organization is 
> >> doing very well. Keep up the good work!
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                     May 14, 1990
Aquascaping, Ltd. USA
Biotype Life Support Systems
2100 Pacheco Street
Suite 312
Concord, CA 94520
Dear Aquascapers,
     As the new President of the American Aquatic Gardeners Association, I am 
in the process of reviving this national organization which has been somewhat 
inactive for the past 18 months.  After seeing your advertisement in the June 
1990 issue of FAMA, I decided that I must contact you to see how your company 
might benefit our organization and visa versa.
     Can you please provide me with some information about your company.  In 
your ad, you indicate that technical publications and journals are available.   
A listing of these publications for future inclusion in the AAGA library would 
be appreciated.  I enclose a membership flier for your consideration.
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                          (919) 848-3763
                                                   April 16, 1990
BOD Members of the
American Aquatic Gardeners Association
Dear board members,
     I hope that this letter finds you and your families well.
     With this letter I am formally announcing that I have volunteered to take 
charge of the AAGA in order to get our organization working again and am 
requesting your approval and authorization for needed action.
     I recently telephoned Dick Van Hyfte in order to tell him of my intentions 
and to find out what has been happening.  Dick is very excited at the prospect 
of reviving AAGA, and basically told me that things have in limbo since the 
last flurry of board correspondence in 1988, although he says that he and his 
wife have been able to get the records in reasonably good order.  Dick has 
provided me with the AAGA bank and membership statements and it appears that we 
have a good foundation on which to rebuild.  We have $1835.66 in the treasury 
and 190 member on the most recent roster.
     Dick has already given me his unconditional support and would be willing 
to serve the organization in a limited but extremely important supporting role. 
 Specifically, he could act as Treasurer for a few months, until a replacement 
can be installed and he could continue to process mail from the current P.O. 
Box and forward information to a new membership chair.  Dick has also 
reiterated his interest in using his personal copy machine to do the 
reproduction of The Aquatic Gardener, at his cost of approximately 2.5 cents 
per page.  This would enable us to produce a high quality product at a total 
cost of under 30 cents per issue.
     In order for our organization to be revived, it is obvious that we will 
need a strong and committed board.  Therefore, I also requesting that you 
identify your interest in continuing to a member of the BOD and to what 
additional extent you are willing to be part of the AAGA team.  We must rebuild 
the organizational structure by reestablishing the key positions: Membership 
chair, Treasurer, Editor, ... etc.  We either need volunteers to fill these 
positions or at least volunteers to be part of a search committee to accomplish 
the same.  The position of editor will be critical, because without TAG, I 
don't think we can re-establish our credibility.
     If I receive your approval to be President, and if we still have a 
committed BOD,  I will send a letter to all "existing" committee chairs to 
inform them of our intentions and I will request that they also commit to 
continue to be part of our team.  It would also be very useful if the BOD could 
approve an allocation of a limited amount of money to cover the expense of 
phone calls, since this form of communication with potential workers would be 
extremely valuable at this point in time.  (With my "Prime Time MCI" phone 
service, I can place calls within the continental US for 10 cents a minute on 
weekends and after 5 pm weekdays.  I think that an annual allocation of $20-25. 
for the President should be sufficient.)  As soon as I determine the status of 
the infrastructure,  I will outline a plan of action for the board's approval.
     I am interested in getting things moving as soon as possible.  Once we 
re-establish the infrastructure, one of my next short-term goals is to let our 
"membership" know that their organization does exist and is alive and well.  To 
regain their trust, we must resume written communication.  Ideally, the first 
mailing should be accompanied with the next issue of TAG.  Since the current 
membership rooster includes many new names, I think the next issue(s) of TAG 
could be based on reprint material from the early issues.  This could solve the 
problem of not having sufficient original with which to work.  We could also 
rationalize this approach if the "reprints" were of a higher reproduction 
quality.  Another next step would be to publish an announcement or status 
report in the commercial aquarium magazines.  I could contact Don Dewey, for 
example, and ask that he publish a letter to the editor or permit us to publish 
a short article or suitable notice.
     There are many outstanding issues that require board input and resolution. 
 I am anxious to receive a response from each of you on the requests and ideas 
that I have outlined above, and welcome your input regarding the needed plan of 
action and additional ideas regarding the future of the AAGA.  I would 
appreciate a response by April 30.
                              Sincerely,                                        
            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                          (919) 848-3763
                                                     May 14, 1990
Dear Dale,
     After almost two years of inaction from the American Aquatic Gardeners 
Association, I stepped forward and volunteered to be an interim president with 
the hope of reviving the organization.  I initially approached Dick Van Hyfte 
with the idea, and after receiving his endorsement, I asked for and received 
approval from the current (i.e. 1988) BOD.
     Since you were one of the early active members and a previous member of 
the BOD, I am writing to inform you of my intentions.  I am also writing to 
solicit your input and, most importantly, your support.
     My immediate plans are to refill several key positions: editor, membership 
and treasurer.  Dick is very dedicated to the goals of AAGA, and despite his 
continued workload problems that contributed to the club's inactivity, he is 
willing to assume temporary responsibility of membership and treasurer.  He 
also volunteered to serve as the printer of The Aquatic Gardener, using his 
personal office equipment and charging at his cost.  However, in order for the 
group to become fully functional, I must find some warm bodies to take on the 
important jobs in a full time capacity.  Are you still interested in AAGA and 
would you be available to help with the revival of the AAGA?
     It appears that we have a good foundation on which to rebuild.  We have 
$1835.66 in the treasury and 190 member on the most recent roster.  Once we 
re-establish the infrastructure, one of my next short-term goals is to let our 
"membership" know that their organization does exist and is alive and well, 
with renewed publication of TAG.  There is much more that we can do, but we 
need to rebuild slowly.
     Please let me know what role you are willing to play in the rebuilding of 
the AAGA.  I look forward to your response.
                              Sincerely,
1988 Board of AAGA:
     Joan Glascock, 3520 SW Falcon Street, Portland, OR 97219
     Neil Frank, 6205 Lookout Loop, Raleigh, NC 27612
     Ray Lucas, E 6715 Pinehurst Drive, Boston, NY 14025
     Judy Marshall, 11 E. Morgan, Battle Creek, MI 49017
     Lyle Marshall, 11 E. Morgan, Battle Creek, MI 49017
     Jare Sausaman, 6804 N. 10th Street,  Philadelphia, PA 19126
     Dick Van Hyfte, Box 293, Minors Drive, Palo, IA 52324
     Ron Wheeler, 49750 Martz Road, Belleville, MI 48111
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                     May 20, 1990
Dear Joan, 
     I was sorry that we never connected two weeks ago when you passed through 
North Carolina.  I new that you had retired from the DEQ, because I phone you a 
few weeks ago.  I was enthused when I go your message.  After receiving your 
card, I phoned you in Virginia, when you were visiting up north.  I am anxious 
to speak to you about the AAGA.
     I definitely need your help!!  Perhaps together, we can decide if this 
group is revivable.  As I have already indicated, I have Dick's support and he 
will be able to provide some organizational assistance.  I was less successful 
with the remainder of the "existing" board.  Both Ron Wheeler and Ray Lucas 
gave me their endorsement, but neither could commit to doing any work.  I never 
heard from Jare, who is usually not very communicative until the school year is 
finished.  I think that he would still stay involved, perhaps as Secretary and 
Librarian.  I have not heard from Judy or Lyle Marshall.  Dick was not able to 
tell me much about the Marshall's situation, except that Lyle was very sick 2 
years ago.  Because of this and because I don't know Judy, I am reluctant to 
telephone.  What do you know about this?  I have also written Dale Speirs, 
informing him about my intentions, in the hope that he may be able to be of 
assistance.
     I would like to re-establish three key positions: editor, membership and 
treasury.  Editor is probably the most difficult to fill, but also the most 
important in order to revive the organization.  I think editor may be equal in 
importance to president.   With someone else as president, I would even be 
willing to be editor. 
     Once the  key positions are pinned down, I think everything else will fall 
into place.  I believe that many people from our existing membership would 
become available to take on other jobs and provide the needed contributions to 
the organization.  Unfortunately, I do not think it is best to write an open 
letter to the membership and reveal the full extent of our organizational 
problems.  I would rather privately solicit the needed volunteers.
     What would you be willing to do, and what are your feelings, in general.  
Who do you think could be approached?  I look forward to your response.         
      
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                     May 20, 1990
Dear Ron,
     Since last month, I had hoped to hear from the "existing" AAGA board, and 
establish a clear consensus of what we would be doing.  I have not yet been 
able to accomplish that.  I am therefore notifying you about where we stand.
     Ray Lucas has given me his endorsement, but is too busy with other fish 
organizations to commit.  Joan Glasscock has also given me her endorsement, but 
has retired and is traveling.  She said she could help, but I don't know with 
what since I have not been able to get up with her.  I have not received a 
response from the Marshalls or Jare Sausaman.  What do you know?
     Before we can do anything with the organization, I must re-establish 3 key 
positions:  editor, membership and treasurer.  In your last letter you 
indicated that you may be able to line up some volunteers.  Let me know if you 
know anyone who can be approached. 
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                 
                                                    June 10, 1990
Dear Dorothy,
     Jare Sausaman suggested that I write to you.  You may recall that we met 
briefly last summer at the International Cichlid Convention in Orlando, FL.  
The reason that I am writing is in reference to the American Aquatic Gardeners 
Association (AAGA).  I can use your help.
     As you are already well aware, this organization has been inactive for 
approximately 18 months.   The last issue of The Aquatic Gardener was dated 
January 1989.  The problems with the organization have been two-fold: Dick Van 
Hyfte, the president, had job problems and could not attend to the 
organization; Lyle Marshall, the editor, had become very sick.  As you may also 
know, Dick is also Treasurer and Membership Chair.  No one seemed to be 
interested in stepping forward to fill the needed shoes.  I sincerely believe 
that the organization is very important and needs revival.     
     Accordingly, I approached Dick and told him that I would attempt to revive 
the organization.  I did not know this was going to happen before I called, but 
I found myself volunteering to be interim President.  Dick was enthusiastic to 
my proposal and offered to serve in a supporting role, including his 
willingness to serve as temporary treasurer and membership.  He sent me all of 
his records.  I contacted the most current (1988) board (Ron Wheeler, Joan 
Glascock, Ray Lucas, Lyle and Judy Marshall, Jare  Sausaman) and found that 
most people were supportive and gave me their approval, but were too committed 
in other organizations to take on a major job.  However, Jare volunteered to 
continue to be Secretary or to do something which would require similar work.
     The reason that I am writing to you is that Jare thought that you would be 
interested in playing a role in reviving AAGA.  I know that you are very 
interested in plants.  I also understand that you have been quite involved in 
aquarium organizations.  I hope that you will consider helping with the revival 
of AAGA.  Perhaps, we should recast it as the IAGA, the International Aquatic 
Gardeners Association.
     My first priority is to re-establish the editorship of TAG.  This is also 
my most difficult task, because this is probably the most difficult job; 
perhaps even more difficult than president.  I myself would be willing to be 
editor, if someone else would take on the coordinating job of president.  Once 
the editor is in place, the existing membership can be contacted together with 
a new issue of TAG.  This will be an important step in re-establishing our  
credibility.  The next steps will be to fill membership and treasurer.  
Committees will fall into place.  For example, Dale Speirs from Calgary said he 
would be willing to chair a technical advisory committee.
     Please get back to me if you are personally interested in being a part of 
the AAGA (or IAGA) leadership or if you know of others who may be interested in 
getting involved.  Our most recent membership roster had 190 names.  Our 
treasury is in good shape.  We just need some good people.  I will be happy to 
provide you will more details about the organization and what I think needs to 
be done.  I hope to hear from you soon.
                              
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                               USA
                                                     July 1, 1990
Dear Dorothy,
     Thanks for responding so quickly and indicating an interest in helping.  
As I indicated in my last letter, I must re-establish an executive board 
(President, Membership and Treasurer) as well as an editor before the 
organization can proceed.  Based on Jare's recommendation, I felt that you 
would be qualified to take on a lead position.  I agree that manpower is a 
problem and feel that those of us who are interested and willing must assume 
the responsibility to take charge. Would you be interested in the Presidency 
(permitting me to be editor), or at least being Co-President and temporary 
membership chair.  I think that I can talk Jare into being treasurer. (Since 
the membership is mostly based in the USA, the treasurer must remain here, at 
least for now).  This would give us a good solid base upon which to re-build.  
After the summer, I can enlist the help of Joan Glascock.  She was previously 
an active board member, is recently retired and has offered to help.  (She is 
doing some traveling this summer).  Do you know of anyone else that we can 
contact.
     Are you planning to go to the ACA in Chicago or to the FAAS Convention.  I 
have not decided on either, although I am leaning more towards the latter.  If 
you are planning to attend either one, this may help me decide to also attend.
     Regarding the time it takes to receive mail, I received your June 26 
letter on June 30th. I can't understand why it took four days coming here, 
while it took mine 15 days to get to you.  Let me know how long this one takes. 
 If it takes more than a week, I will check with our postal service.
                                   Sincerely,                            Neil 
Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                    July 28, 1990
Dear Robert,
     Sorry that I did not write to you sooner to thank you for the article that 
you submitted for the Aquatic Gardeners Association.  Thanks.  I have been busy 
for the past few months trying to get AAGA organized and I think that I finally 
secured enough key people to proceed.  Three people will be running the 
steering/reorgainization committee - Jare Sausaman, Dorothy Reimer and myself.  
I have designated myself as the editor of the bulletin.  We are shooting for a 
formal startup with the next (first?) issue of the bulletin for January 1991.
     I saw Ron Wheeler last week at the ACA convention in  Chicago and he 
mentioned your name.  If you are interested in getting involved with the 
publication in any way - submitting articles, helping with editing, etc., let 
me know, I am definitely interested.  In regard to the article that you 
submitted, I would be interested in getting it on a 5.25" IBM compatible 
floppy, either in ascii or Word Perfect format, if you have that capability.  
Also, if you have any previously published publications, or know of any from 
other authors that are worthy of reprint from club publications, I would be 
interested.
                              Thanks again,
P.S.  Do you have the Revision of the Genus Cryptocoryne by Rataj, 1975, 
published in Chechoslovakia), and know how I could get a copy. Ditto for 
Echinodorus.                             Neil Frank
                         6205 Lookout Loop
                         Raleigh, NC 27612
                          (919) 848-3763
Mike Trz...                                       August 24, 1990
Dear Mike,
     I hope that you have had a nice summer.  More and more, I hear people 
talking about Delaware Aquatics, so it must be keeping you busy.
     The last time we talked on the phone, we discussed AAGA.  What did you 
decide that you would be willing to do?  Is rare and unusual species committee 
chair still possible?
     Dorothy Reimer, Jare Sausaman and I now represent the steering committee / 
reorganization committee for the group.  Dorothy is membership, Jare is 
Treasurer and I am editor.  We are shooting for a January 1991 public 
emergence.  Do you have any outstanding expenses or income?  If so, can you get 
in touch with Jare.
               
     As editor, I am compiling articles.  Can you send me a copy of yours which 
FAAS voted as the best plant article of the year, and any others that you think 
are worthy of publication (either yours or written by others).
     I can use your help on another matter.  I am thinking about putting 
together a cross reference table, linking plant names used in the hobby with 
articles and pictures in the aquarium/aquatic plant books.  The need for such a 
table is attributed, in part, to the fact that there is not a single best plant 
reference which is either complete or accurate.  I am actually less concerned 
over the latter and more concerned with "approximate" identification, for both 
submerged and emersed forms.  I suspect that you may have already looked into 
this problem because of your plant business.  For example, which books have a 
picture of the melon sword, and is it submerged or emersed form.  There may 
also be some plants on your list which are not pictured at all!  Let me know if 
you have any information on the published pictures/articles on your listed 
plants.
     Finally, can you send me a price list that can be used to either order for 
a shop or aquarium club.  The group in Durham, NC has been ordering from you 
and I would like to see the Raleigh group get more involved in plants.  Another 
useful point regarding your plant list, is the form of the plant.  Although the 
average hobbyist would not know what to do with the information, the 
specialized plant person could benefit from knowing which of your plants are 
available in submerged and which in emersed form.  This will greatly help the 
current confusion over plant IDs.
                              Sincerely,               
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                          (919) 848-3763
                                                  August 29, 1990
Lyle Marshall
11 E. Morgan
Battle Creek, MI 49017
Dear Lyle,
     I have just spoken with Ron Wheeler, and I was happy to hear that you are 
interested in staying involved in the Aquatic Gardeners Association.  I tried 
to find your phone number to call, but was told it is unlisted.  Please write 
or call and discuss with me to what extent you would like to be involved.  I 
would be very much interested, for example, in having you take care of the 
Plant and Materials Listing.  If you can participate on the board, that would 
be great.
     As Ron may have told you, much progress has bee made towards the revival 
of the organization.  When I last wrote to you and Judy several months ago, I 
was asking for the "board's" approval to proceed as "temporary" president.  
Since then, a committee of three (including myself) have become the 
"steering/reorganization" committee for the organization.  The committee 
consists of Dorothy Reimer, who is also serving as membership chair; Jare 
Sausaman, who is also serving as Treasurer; and myself, the editor.  Dick is in 
the process of transferring membership info and monies.  We are shooting for a 
January 1991 rebirth;  I hope to get things going quickly, before I realize how 
much work is ahead of me and change my mind!
     As editor, I can certainly make use of all of the magazine materials that 
you may have:  back issues, unprinted articles, cover art, etc.  If it would 
not be too much trouble, I would really appreciate if you could arrange to send 
these to me and I will reimburse you for your postage.
     Looking forward to hearing from you.
                              Sincerely,                         
                                Neil Frank
                            6205 Lookout Loop
                            Raleigh, NC 27612
                                               September 18, 1990
Dear Dorothy,
     So glad to hear from you today, and am particularly glad that you finally 
received the stuff from Dick.  I was  starting to have my doubts again.  I 
called Dick the last weekend in August - around 3 weeks ago.  He said that he 
had not yet pulled "everything" together.  I told him to not wait for 
"everything."  He said that he would send you something and other publication 
related stuff to me, including the "archives" of which I had agreed to be 
custodian two years ago.  I have not received anything yet.  I also asked Dick 
to look into the status of our teeshirts and other sales item kept by Dennis 
Sindlar, also of Eastern Iowa. So, far nothing.  The rest of the letter also 
contains some disappointment, but also discusses some positive developments.
 
     I talked to Ron Wheeler recently, who had talked to Lyle Marshall as I 
requested. Lyle apparently is homebound, but well enough, and is still very 
interested in actively participating in a small way like doing the "plant and 
materials" listing.  I tried to call him, but after learning that he has an 
unlisted number, I sent him a letter soliciting his support and requesting that 
he send me available publication materials (cover art, etc.).  Unfortunately, 
it has been 2-3 weeks and I have not heard anything. 
     I talked to Jare this past weekend.  He is supposed to be talking to Dick 
about setting up the bank account this week.  Jare promised to get back to me 
this coming weekend to see where we are with the finances.  Until I received 
your letter, I was becoming pessimistic about the whole deal.  Now, I am 
expecting positive news from Jare.
     Allow me to respond to several points you raise in your note.  First of 
all, yes, you can telephone me.  My number is 919-848-3763.  I think that a 
phone call can really be helpful. I also think that we can efficiently resolve 
some of the detailed decisions by establishing a "round-robin" letter, among 
Jare, yourself and I.  The way it may work is that I give you my ideas on 
specific topics or things that I think should be done.  You comment, make 
changes, additions, etc. and pass along to Jare for his input.  Assuming that 
the three of us continue to be as agreeable as we have so far, we should end up 
with a good final product from which we can establish a consensus decision.
For example, you send the membership form to me for comment, I pass along to 
jare, then you finalize.  Each of us would be responsible to make the final 
decision on different things.
Regarding another point in your letter - out of country memberships - I 
definitely think that US, Canada and Mexico should be equal at $15.00 (even 
though the postage costs will be higher sending the magazine to Canada).  Other 
countries is another matter.  Assuming that the magazine will be 2 ounces, the 
per issue postage for within US, Canada and Mexico will be $0.45, .52, .45, 
respectively.  For other countries, it will be $1.80.  This would be an 
increase of $5.40 for 4 issues and $8.10 for 6 issues.  I checked the ACA dues, 
and they charge $15 for US/Canada/Mexico and $22.50 for other (BB only) and 
32.50 for BB and TP.  I would suggest $25 for TAG (the aquatic gardener, 
assuming that we keep that name), and $28.00 for all mailings (on the 
assumption that the other mailings would be one page in an envelope which would 
cost an additional $.50 per item).  If you agree, use these rates.
Let's talk about the name.  I would like to change it to Aquatic Gardener's 
Association.  The only thing that might limit our ability to change it, is the 
by-laws.  I say that unless Jare says that the by-laws would be a problem on 
this matter, we should go ahead and change it.  By the way, did you notice that 
FAMA had removed the listing - did you make that change?  Of course, if the 
t-shirts materialize, the old name would not be applicable; but I don't think 
that is a big deal.
Remember that young fellow, Vinny, we met at the ACA convention. I have been in 
contact with him, through a computer network that I stumbled into.  He 
mentioned it at the convention and coincidentally, I met someone here in 
Raleigh who got me into it.  I have been able to send written messages to him 
at the University of Florida through my computer at home (via a modem). The 
nice thing is that there is not long distance charge.  There are quite a few 
plant enthusiasts throughout the US, Canada and elsewhere who are on this 
network.  Vinny is in the process of lining up all sorts of articles, dealing 
with lighting, CO2, fertilization and other technology topics.  There are many 
schools of thought out there.  Some are hooked on the "Dupla", high cost, high 
technology methods, others are more of the "Dutch" aquaria school.  There is 
also "news" that people post.  As my time permits, I have been reading some of 
the postings.  Some of the network users seem to know you.  Just recently, 
someone discussed the foolproof Dorothy Reimer method of growing plants.  I 
look forward to publishing information about the different methods and 
providing some comparative analysis of the different approaches.  I think that 
it is easier to be a good cook than to write a good cookbook; with our 
organization, we will give people the opportunity to share their secret recipes.
 I talked to Trzonkowky of Delaware and asked if he wanted to participate as 
before and followed up with a formal letter, but he has not yet responded.  I 
will probably not pursue this one any further myself.  I will leave this one to 
you and Jare - maybe you will have more success.
In closing , let me list some of the things (not necessarily in this order) 
that we need to address over the next month inorder to meet our goal of a 
January 1991 revival together with an issue of the publication.
1.  Transfer the bank account to Philadelphia - so we will have operating 
capital.
2.  Prepare membership form - which you have started
3.  Send one letter to old members, a different one to ones who have never 
received anything, telling each group what is coming (maybe this can wait until 
Nov or so)_
4.  Send notice/ad to FAMA with your mailing address by mid Oct to appear in 
Dec/Jan issue.  Ditto for TFH and Aquarium Fish.  We should also prepare a 
brief letter to appear at the same time.
5.  Establish tentative budget for operating expenses, for example giving you 
and I money for doing membership and the magazine.
6.  Incorporation - Can you look into this one at a local university; I think 
that we should do it, but first we should revise the
7.  Bylaws - I would hate to tackle this one - it is not something I know how 
to approach.  Can we just redraft among the 3 of us (and together with Dick and 
the board), or do we have to get the "membership" to approve changes.
8.  Formalize the new board.  One thing that is important is to figure out the 
correct mechanism to get you on the  board; or is that even important, i.e. Do 
you have to be on the board to chair membership and to participate on a 
reorganization committee? (If you haven't figured it out yet, I am not a 
stickler for formalities).
9.  Finalize decision on the name of the organization, the name of the magazine 
(or should we call it a journal) and other details about the publication and 
the schedule (bimonthly or quarterly).  I will also need input, particularly 
from Jare, on details like volume and issue numbering convention.
I must close now.  I said more than I thought I would at this sitting.  One 
final thing, can you send me one of those slick Canadian publications that you 
brought to the ACA.
               
                                         Neil Frank
                         6205 Lookout Loop
                         Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 September 19, 1990
Dear Joan,
     I hope that you have been enjoying your retirement and that you may have 
settled down enough to now participate in the revival of the Aquatic Gardeners 
Association.  Since I last wrote you, much progress has taken place over the 
summer.
     First, I have enlisted the support of Dorothy Reimer and Jare Sausaman.  
Dorothy, as you know, is quite active with plants in Canada and with CAOAC.  
Together with myself, we are serving as a steering/re-organization committee 
for the group.  With this structure, I have changed my prior position of 
temporary president to the editor.  Dorothy is Membership Chair and Jare is 
Treasurer.
     You are probably asking: why do we need a treasurer without a treasury?  
The answer is: Dick has transferred the AAGA account to Philadelphia!  Dick has 
also transferred all membership applications to Dorothy, together with uncashed 
money orders, etc.
     The re-organization committee is now preparing letters to go the old and 
new members, publicity for national magazines and I am working towards a 
January 1990 issue of the magazine.
     There are still lots of details to work out - the name is one.  We may be 
dropping the first "A", and calling the group Aquatic Gardeners Association 
(AGA).  Revising the by-lays and incorporation are other possibilities.
     Ron Wheeler has been in contact with Lyle Marshall.  Although Lyle is 
homebound, he is apparently interested in participating, say as the plant and 
materials listing coordinator.  I have written Lyle about a month ago, but 
unfortunately, I have not yet received a response.  I also asked him for all 
publication materials (cover art, unpublished articles, etc).
  
     Get in touch with me when you can.  Any comments, advice and or assistance 
are welcome.                         
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                  October 1, 1990
Dear Dale,
     When I last wrote to you in late Spring, I was struggling in my efforts to 
revive the AAGA.  Now I can happily report to you that the organization is 
solidly on its way to revival.
     Over the summer, I have received the important support of Dorothy Reimer, 
as membership chair; and of Jare Sausaman, as Treasurer.  The three of us are 
now serving as the steering/re-organization committee.  With this strong base, 
we are flying without a President.  Accordingly, I have become the editor for 
the group's publication.
     In your last letter, you indicated that you would be willing to contribute 
articles to TAG.  I am currently pulling together material for the magazine.  I 
can use your articles now.  Please send me any new material you choose to 
submit, as well as appropriate plant-related articles that you have previously 
written for a local club, or other publications.  Similarly, if you have copies 
of good reprint material by other authors, please send these as well.
     One source of reprint material that Jare has suggested is articles from 
early aquarium literature, say from the 1920's - 1950's, from Innes Aquarium, 
Aquatic Life, Aquarium Bulletin, etc.  If you are interested in helping with 
this effort or have any comments, please let me know.  
     The steering committee has set an unofficial date of January 1991 for the 
revival of Aquatic Gardeners.  Over the next month or so, formal announcements 
and letters to the membership should be going out (hopefully!).
     In your last letter, you also asked about your role with the Technical 
Advisory Committee.  For now, I would like this committee to concentrate on 
literature (answering requests, reviewing articles for publication, etc), and 
as such, your offer to continue as chair is gratefully accepted.  I agree that 
plant IDs can be assigned to an "American," and can also wait until the 
organization gets back on its feet.
     The reason I used quotes above, is because there is discussion among the 
steering committee to change the name of the organization to AGA - Aquatic 
Gardeners Association.  Although America can refer to the U.S., Canada, Mexico, 
etc., more often it does not.  Therefore to recognize the large participation 
of the group's northern members, the committee would like to drop the word 
America.  We will probably do this if administrative problems do not emerge, 
such as with transferring the bank account.
     In closing, I would like to shift to another subject - aquarium literature 
collecting.  In the past, I have seen your want lists in CAL.  Are you still 
looking for TFH, BB and other magazines.  I have several of the issues that you 
were looking for, and am always interested in trading for things that I don't 
have.  If you are still looking, let me know what you need and what duplicates 
you have.  I am still actively collecting both books and magazines; my main 
interest still focuses on aquatic plants, although this has not constrained my 
collecting.    
     Looking forward to your articles.                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                  October 1, 1990
Dear Paul,
     Remember the American Aquatic Gardeners Association?  After almost two 
years of inactivity, the organization is finally approaching revival!
     In a month or two, you will be receiving a formal letter announcing the 
re-birth of the organization.  All past members in good standing will receive 
automatic extensions of their membership, and be asked to continue their 
support to and participation in the new organization.
     I am writing to you because I will be the new editor of the group's 
publication and I need your support.  You were a significant contributor to The 
Aquatic Gardener (TAG), and I hope that your interest with aquatic plants, 
fertilization, CO2 injection, etc., have continued.  
     More importantly, I hope that you can continue to be a important 
contributor to our publication.  I am working towards a January 1991 revival of 
the publication and can use articles for both the first and subsequent issues.  
The preferred format is 5 1/2" floppy disc in either wordperfect or ascii 
format.  I can also currently receive information on Internet.  If the latter 
are not possible, I will eagerly accept articles as hard copy.  
     At this point, I am not soliciting articles on any particular topic, but 
in the future I will be calling for papers in specific subject areas.  If you 
have previously submitted articles which were not published by Lyle Marshall, 
could you possibly resubmit these again to me.  Incidently, the visual quality 
of the publication should be greatly improved.
     Please continue to be an active supporter of Aquatic Gardening.
                              Sincerely,                    
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                  October 1, 1990
Dear Jack,
     Remember the American Aquatic Gardeners Association?  After almost two 
years of inactivity, the organization is finally approaching revival!
     In a month or two, you will be receiving a formal letter announcing the 
re-birth of the organization.  All past members in good standing will receive 
automatic extensions of their membership, and be asked to continue their 
support to and participation in the new organization.
     I am writing to you because I will be the new editor of the group's 
publication and I need your support.
     You have been an important contributor to the literature on aquatic plants 
and I hope that you can be a contributor to our forthcoming publication.  I am 
working towards a January 1991 revival of the publication and can use articles 
for both the first and subsequent issues.  The preferred format is 5 1/2" 
floppy disc in either wordperfect or ascii format.  I can also currently 
receive information on Internet.  If the latter are not possible, I will 
eagerly accept articles as hard copy.  Unfortunately, I can not be as generous 
as Don Dewey.  
     At this point, I am not soliciting articles on any particular topic, but 
in the future I will be calling for papers in specific subject areas.  
     Please continue to be an active supporter of Aquatic Gardening.
                              Sincerely,          
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                  October 1, 1990
Dear Pat,
     Remember the American Aquatic Gardeners Association?  After almost two 
years of inactivity, the organization is finally approaching revival!
     In a month or two, you will be receiving a formal letter announcing the 
re-birth of the organization.  All past members in good standing will receive 
automatic extensions of their membership, and be asked to continue their 
support to and participation in the new organization.
     I am writing to you because I will be the new editor of the group's 
publication and I need your support.
     You have been a past contributor to The Aquatic Gardener (TAG) and I hope 
that you can continue be a contributor to our forthcoming publication.  I am 
working towards a January 1991 revival of the publication and can use articles 
for both the first and subsequent issues.  The preferred format is 5 1/2" 
floppy disc in either wordperfect or ascii format.  I can also currently 
receive information on Internet.  If the latter are not possible, I will 
eagerly accept articles as hard copy.
     At this point, I am not soliciting articles on any particular topic, but 
in the future I will be calling for papers in specific subject areas.  
     Please continue to be an active supporter of Aquatic Gardening.
                              Sincerely,     
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                  October 1, 1990
Dear Bruce,
     Thanks for your recent letter and your offer to help with the Aquatic 
Gardeners Association.
     The organization is now rapidly approaching revival.  Dorothy Reimer is 
the new membership chair and will soon have a membership application with which 
new members can join.  I will be the editor of the publication.  Within the 
next month or two, formal announcements will be made to all past members and 
others (who we know of) who have unsuccessfully attempted to join in the last 2 
years.  The target date for the new organization is January 1991, together with 
renewal of the publication.
     Since you are obviously quite interested in joining, I suggest that you 
submit the $15.00 application fee, made out to "Aquatic Gardeners Association" 
to:
          Dorothy Reimer
          83 Cathcart St.
          London, Ontario
          CANADA  N6C 3L9
     If you have previously submitted a fee to Dick, this should be on its way 
to Dorothy.
     I also would like to take you up on your offer to help with the 
organization.  It is a great way to get involved.  Can you tell me something 
about yourself, indicating your background and special skills, so we can see 
where you can best serve.  It will be helpful if you describe any previous 
organization experience (elected officer, committees, etc), especially with 
aquarium societies; if you have a personal computer, tell me about your 
experience with aquatic plants and with the aquarium hobby in general, and tell 
me what you would be most interested in doing.
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 11, 1990
Dear George,
     Remember the American Aquatic Gardeners Association?  After almost two 
years of inactivity, the organization is finally approaching revival!
     In a month or two, you will be receiving a formal letter announcing the 
re-birth of the organization.  All past members in good standing will receive 
automatic extensions of their membership, and be asked to continue their 
support to and participation in the new organization.
     I am writing to you because I will be the new editor of the group's 
publication and I need your support.  The other two principle players are 
Dorothy Reimer and Jare Sausaman.
     You have been a past contributor to The Aquatic Gardener (TAG) and I hope 
that you can continue be a contributor to our forthcoming publication.  I am 
working towards a January 1991 revival of the publication and can use articles 
for both the first and subsequent issues.  The preferred format is 5 1/2" 
floppy disc in either IBM wordperfect or ascii format.  I can also currently 
receive information on Internet.  If the latter are not possible, I will 
eagerly accept articles in written format.
     I encourage you to provide me with any article on any aquatic plant 
related topic:  aquascaping, propagation, lighting, CO2, substrates, 
fertilization, filtration, etc., etc.  An article previously published by a 
local club would be fine.  Unpublished material would be even better!  
     Please get back to me soon and let me know to what extent you can be 
involved.  I will be happy to provide additional details and look forward to 
your response.  
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 17, 1990
Dear Dale,
Thanks for the article and for the quick response to my request.  
I would be interested in hearing some more about the cost effective use of 
house plant fertilizers.  In particular, our members should be interested in 
the need for and potential disadvantage of the nitrogen and phosphorus 
components of the product you mention.  Some advocate avoiding these elements 
to avoid encouragement of algae.  I suspect that in the small quantities that 
you mention, you would get enough iron, without significant N or P to worry 
about.  Perhaps you could send be a brief additional note.  I could either 
include your comment in an editorial introduction to the article, or let you 
expound upon the subject in more detail as a follow up.
The first issue of the magazine is still scheduled for January.  I plan to 
include minimal information about committees, but may mention committees that 
are currently in place.  What should we say about the function and goals of the 
Technical Advisory Committee.
Do you have a computer?  If so, I would appreciate future submittals on a 5 1/2 
" floppy disc.  
Thanks again for the submittal.  Keep them coming.  Hope to hear form you soon.
                                                  10/22/90
          ************FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE************
     The Aquatic Gardeners Association (AGA) is now accepting memberships.  The 
annual dues are $15.00 for the United States, Canada & Mexico; $28.00 for other 
countries (payable in U.S. currency).  Membership applications and other 
inquiries should be mailed to Dorothy Reimer, 83 Cathcart St., London, Ontario, 
CANADA N6C 3L9.
     The organization, formerly called the American Aquatic Gardeners 
Association (AAGA), was founded in 1985 by Dick Van Hyfte of Palo, IA.  After a 
3-year lull (1988-1990), the specialty group has been enthusiastically revived 
by a steering committee consisting of Neil Frank of Raleigh, NC; Jare Sausaman 
of Philadelphia, PA and Dorothy Reimer of London, Ontario.  Unexpired 1988 
memberships from the predecessor organization will be honored by the new 
association.  The Aquatic Gardeners Association is dedicated to disseminate 
information about aquatic plants, to study the culture of aquatic and bog 
plants and to promote the aesthetics of planted aquaria and ponds. 
     Neil Frank is the new editor for AGA's bimonthly publication, "The Aquatic 
Gardener."  The first issue is scheduled for January 1991.  Articles submitted 
for publication should be directed to Neil Frank, 6205 Lookout Loop, Raleigh, 
NC 27612.                                
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 26, 1990
Dear Dorothy,
I received your package and have sent out your letters to the three magazines.  
I decided to attach an additional "press release," which adds a little more 
information.  I hoped that this would make it easier for them to say more about 
us.  It is enclosed.  In the remainder of the letter, I have grouped my random 
thoughts under headings to facilitate navigation.  
Unexpired memberships
Note the comment in the press release about unexpired AAGA memberships.  If we 
can't precisely determine the expiration month for the membership, I think that 
we could tell everyone that it will be April 1991, (unless they send you 
information that says otherwise).
Computer Network
I also posted the AGA information on the computer network that I told you 
about.  I expect that you should soon be receiving applications for membership 
from these guys.  By the way, did you ever hear from Fred Kratky; he said that 
he would get in touch with you to help you to "electronically" send me stuff.
Money from Dick
I talked to Dick last weekend, told him that we were almost ready to start up 
again.  He knows that Jare is working on setting up the account.  After I 
expressed my concern that Jare might not get through the bureaucracy in time, 
Dick volunteered to send me a $300. check to cover the cost of printing and 
mailing the first issue. (I think that the cost should be around $1.10 - $1.20 
per person, including printing and mailing).  Membership list - letter to old 
members
It is now time to send a letter to the old members of the AAGA. This letter 
should come from you.  If Jare hasn't established the account, I suggest that 
you contact Dick and ask for $50 - $100 or so, to cover the cost of your 
mailing, including envelopes and stamps.  Since the word is getting out about 
the new Aquatic Gardeners Association, the old members shouldn't be the last to 
know, right?
With this letter you could include a "membership application." It could be a 
simplified version of the one AAGA used and which we talked about in Chicago.  
It could also allow them to indicate their interest in receiving future 
mailings/publications. (We could even say that unless we hear back from them, 
they will not get the next mailing!!! - what do you think?)
On the application, you can also have a space for personal information, 
talents, interest in getting involved, etc.  I would be happy to help you with 
this.  However, I don't think that creation of this "application" should hold 
up the letter.
Send me a updated mailing list when you have it ready.  A 5 1/2" computer 
diskette in IBM format (dBase) or mailing labels is fine, whichever is more 
convenient.  The mailing label should eventually contain the membership 
expiration date.
Column for the magazine
I want you to write a regular "membership chair's" column for the magazine - 
probably, less than one page, per issue.  It can discuss our membership status 
and any other items you think are pertinent.  You could even include 
information about the inquiries you receive about the organization and even 
about your appearances at aquarium societies. In addition, I would like to 
publish all of our initial members and addresses in the first issue.  I would 
like to then periodically add the new members.  Of course, you could welcome 
them to the organization under your column.
Also think about writing another column:  "The Dorothy Reimer Method."  In each 
issue you could quickly write something (short) about your involvement in the 
plant hobby.  For example - your use of chicken grit or the type of filtration 
you use.  I would be very happy to work with you and help you in any way I can 
- organization of ideas, editorial help, etc. If you send me something rough, I 
could formalize it, if you like.
Another column I just though about is a question and answer format.  I imagine 
we will start receiving questions.  All of us could participate in coming up 
with the answers.  We can then publish this in the magazine.
Reprints
Thanks for the reprints.  They are in my growing file.  I may need to talk to 
you some more about the source of these articles.  In some cases, the magazine 
is not indicated, and the date of publication is missing.  I would prefer to 
indicate the year of publication.
Also, thanks for the Canadian Fish Fanciers.  Jim Robinson's article on 
aquarium plants would be good reprint material.  This article was part 3 - do 
you have the other parts?  Also, more importantly, do you know Robinson.  We 
would need his permission or that from the publishers.  He might also may have 
original articles to contribute.
Non-profit Status and Bulk Mail Permit
I have looked into both of these items and have determined that we could save 
money by getting a bulk mail permit for the US. This would make sense if we 
were going to do 12 mailings per year (6 magazines on the odd months and 6 
different mailings on the other months)  and if the majority of our members are 
still in the US.  For $60 per year we can reduce mailing costs for both letters 
and up to 3 ounce publications to 16.5 cents.  This would save us 8cents per 
letter or 29-49 cents per magazine.  It also avoids licking stamps.  We could 
have the permit printed for the US deliveries.  Unfortunately, it doesn't help 
with Canada.  
My suggestion is to wait to see if we are going to do a "Plant and Materials 
Listing"  I think that I would have a volunteer for this job.  What do you 
think?  If we decide to do this, then I think that we should get the bulk 
permit.
If we decide to use bulk mail, an even better idea is to get not-for-profit 
status.  I looked over the regulations, and it seems to me that we would 
qualify as a horticultural organization whose purpose is to improve the 
knowledge regarding the cultivation of aquatic plants. (There is a special IRS 
category for agricultural and horticultural organizations).
Unfortunately, the IRS filing fee (one time) is $160.  If we think that the 
organization is going to last at least 2-3 years, it would be worth it.  (of 
course, we think that the organization is going to last, or we wouldn't be 
involved, right?)  With nonprofit status, we would still need the annual post 
office permit, but then the US mailing fees drop to 8 cents per mailing.  This 
would give us the luxury to use the mail for different things.  If we decide to 
do the Plant and materials Listing, then I think that we should apply for 
nonprofit.  The only thing that we will need is a constitution.  Can you look 
at the one that I sent you, make the necessary changes and send it back to me 
to for my final review.  I think that we should keep it simple.  
That's all for now, so I can get it to the post office.
                                        Neil
cc.  Jare                              
                                                 October 26, 1990
Jare -
This is a separate note for you.  Because of your vast experience with aquarium 
publications, I want your input on some things specifically dealing with the 
publication.  
Title of the publication will be the same as before - "The Aquatic Gardener"
I am trying to get the drawing of the lace plant and continue to use it as the 
logo.  I will make appropriate changes in the cover format.
I shall number the next issue, as issue number 1 of a new Volume 3 or 4 
(whatever is one more than where we left off).
Should we say something on the cover page to indicate that this is the 
"premier" issue of the revised publication?  
I would like to change the format to Buntbarshe Bulletin style.   I think that 
this would give us a completely different look and probably arrive better 
through the mails.  What do you think?
Initially, it will be photocopied.  If the number of copies ever gets to be 
400-500 or more, we can afford printing.  I will use a heavy paper for the 
cover.  I am looking into affordable alternatives for 20 pound copy paper.  I 
want the magazine to have a decent appearance.
Eventually, I want to include black and white photos.  I will have to find 
people to supply them. 
Page numbering - should the outside cover page be pages 1 and 2?
Should the pages be numbered consecutively among issue numbers within volume, 
or should issue 2 start over with page 1?  
Do you have any more thoughts about reprint articles?
Do you know if the old stuff is still copyrighted?
Let me know what other suggestions you have.
Also let me know what you think of the things in the letter to Dorothy - 
regarding bulk mail, constitution, etc.
P.S. I never got to meet with Klee.  His plans changed.                         
     Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 26, 1990
Dear Bruce,
There are two opportunities to immediately get involved with the Aquatic 
Gardeners Association (AGA).  
The first is to submit an article for "The Aquatic Gardener."  I be most 
interested in learning, for example, about your techniques for propagating 
plants.
The second is to become our HAP liaison, the link to the Horticultural Award 
Program (HAP) Chairs from local Aquarium Societies and the Federation of 
American Aquarium Societies (FAAS).  I am hoping that this activity will help 
publicize the group and get me articles for the publication.  This position did 
not exist under the old organization, but I think it is important.
As I see it, this job will establish communications with the existing network 
of serious plant hobbyists.  Some of them may have been members of the original 
AAGA.  Through them, we can help publicize the existence of the AGA, and from 
them we can receive articles that have been published in local aquarium society 
publications.  We can then selectively distribute them nationally, through our 
publication.  I am not a member of the AKA, but I suspect that this 
organization also has a lot of plant keepers.  This may be another logical 
organization with which to make contact.
Mary Lou Rogers is the HAP chairperson for FAAS.  Her address is 2212 Lakeside 
N.W., Canton, OH  44708.  If you are interested in this "job," write her a 
letter (on behalf of the AGA) and find out what information she can provide and 
if she has a list of the HAP chairs from local societies.  With this in hand, 
you can decide how they should be approached to accomplish our goals.  Let me 
know what you think.                         
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 26, 1990
Dear Paul,
     I was glad to hear from you and to receive your article.  I totally agree 
with your request to have The Aquatic Gardener in an improved format.  I also 
plan to include illustrations, if I can get any.  Line drawings and black and 
white photographs can easily be incorporated.  Hopefully, some of our members 
will be able to provide the pictures.
     I had not previously heard the idea about reducing the AGA membership fee 
in return for articles.  I know that this approach is used with other 
organizations, so perhaps it would be worth a try.  I will discuss it with the 
others.  I also agree that it would be a good idea to get the members involved 
in "research."  If you want to submit some ideas, we can publish them in the 
magazine.  
     
     I guess I wasn't clear when I said I could read 5 1/2" floppy diskettes.  
Unfortunately, I can't read a disk formatted for the Apple.  Check with your 
schools computer center to see if they support Internet or Bitnet.  This is a 
computer network that links thousands of colleges and universities throughout 
the world.  Through this network, you could electronically send me text files 
at no charge.
     
     We have set the following dues for the new orgainization: $15.00 for the 
United States, Canada & Mexico; $28.00 for other countries (payable in U.S. 
currency).  Membership applications should be mailed to Dorothy Reimer, 83 
Cathcart St., London, Ontario, CANADA N6C 3L9.  Hopefully, you got back your 
check for $12.00.
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 27, 1990
Dear Bob,
I am starting to pull together the first issue of "The Aquatic Gardener."  
Since I am changing its format to 5 1/2" to 8 1/2", I decided to retype your 
article, "Flower and Seed Production in Cryptocoryne."  I want to include it in 
the first issue (January 1991).  As I was typing and reading, some questions 
came to me. Some of the answers will probably be brief, while others could be 
topics for future articles.  I also wondered if I were crazy to be retyping an 
error free manuscript.
You indicate that you suggest the use of rainwater.  As you know, rainwater is 
quite acidic in the midwest.  Is the low pH and high sulfate concentration of 
rainwater a concern?
There is variation in the spectrum among flourescent lights.  What brand 
"Gro-Lux" and full spectrum bulbs do you use?
There are some that advocate not using glass covers over aquaria filled with 
water, in order to reduce potential attenuation.  I do not yet know to what 
extent attenuation occurs.  I wondered if you had any ideas on this subject, 
when I read that you use covers to maintain humidity. What do you use for the 
cover (e.g. single strength or double strength glass)?  Do you think that glass 
has an effect on the light produced by flourescent lamps?  Do you think that 
glass covers have an effect on the light reaching submerged plants in an 
aquarium?
What are your experiences in growing crypts in submersed form?
Do you have an original of your drawing, to permit a clearer reproduction for 
the magazine.  I would like to indicate the source - is it your original or is 
it from a publication?  Kindly give me a title for the figure.  
                              Sincerely,     
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 29, 1990
Dear Dick,
     Can you please send me your lace plant artwork or let me know if you do 
not have it.  I must know its status, so I can proceed with the preparation of 
"The Aquatic Gardener."  If I need to look for other artwork for the cover, I 
must know this now.  There are a million things that I am currently doing and I 
can't afford to be short on time.
     Also, another very important item is the check for $300 to cover the cost 
of printing and mailing the first issue.  If you haven't already done so, 
please make it out and get it in the mail today.
 
     Let me know if there will be a delay. 
                              Sincerely,
P.S.  Announcements for the revival of the organization and for the January 
1991 issue of TAG have been sent to FAMA, TFH, Aquarium Fish and FAAS.  A copy 
of the press release is enclosed.                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 October 29, 1990
Mike -
     I still need those things that I wrote you about a few months ago:
     1.  Your plant article voted best by FAAS
     (Our first issue of the journal is scheduled for January 1991)
     2.  Your committment to the Aquatic Gardeners Association
     (Will you be rare and unusual species committee chair?)
     3.  Plant price list for aquarium club and/or retail shop
     Please respond soon.  Let me know about life in the plant business.
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 November 4, 1990
Dear Dale,
I just came across your HAP report on Crypt affinis in The Calquarium.  I think 
that it is worthy of reprinting in The Aquatic Gardener.  Do you have any 
objections?  If not, do you have other articles that could also be used as 
reprint material.  In most cases, I would only use articles previously 
published if I don't have enough original material.  I want to build up a 
library of previously published club material to (1) have a cushion for TAG to 
fall back on, (2) to recirculate good information on plants and (3) to have one 
publication in which to find this information.
Do you have illustrations or photos of aquatic plants that I could use in TAG.  
I have come across some good line drawings in a few aquarium books (e.g. H.C.D. 
de Wit., Aquarium Plants) and am requesting permission from the publisher.  I 
am a little reluctant to use them without permission.  Of course, I would give 
credit to the source.  Do you think formal permission is necessary for this?
                              Sincerely,                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 November 4, 1990
Dear Bruce,
I was so glad to hear that you were interested.  For lack of a better committee 
title, I am calling your position "Aquarium Society Horticultural Liason."
I was also glad that you wrote, because in the last issue of the FAAS Report, 
the Horticultural Award contact has been changed to Dave Knelson.  His address 
is 51 Kindling Cres, Sackville, N.S. Canada B4E 2V1.
For your submittal of AGA information to the AKA, I enclose a copy of a "press 
release" that I prepared.  Under Dorothy Reimer's cover letter, this was sent 
to FAMA, TFH, Aquarium Fish magazines and to FAAS.  Dorothy will be the contact 
and will have information to send out in response to requests for membership.
I totally agree with your idea about a "beginners column."  I had similar ideas 
along these lines, but do not yet have a series of articles with which to 
implement.  I definitely want the journal to appeal to both the beginner and 
advanced aquarist.  In the first issue I am including an article by Mike 
Trzonkowsky on his simple recipe for success.  We may have to include several 
articles along these lines, since there may not be one way to do it.  Later on, 
I would like to see some critical analyses to look for the common denomentators.
By the way, until you get your computer, I would be happy to type any of your 
submittals.  (Unless of course, you are like me and can hardly write anymore 
without a PC!)
                                   Sincerely,               
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                 November 9, 1990
Dear Jare and Dorothy:
Good News! Correction, GREAT NEWS!!  I just received a $300 check from Dick, as 
an advance on the publication costs.  It was written on the old AAGA account.  
I guess we are definitely set now.
Jare:  How are you doing with establishing the AGA account?
I have been making a lot of progress on the January publication.  I have been 
getting prices from printers.  I have been most recently working on the boiler 
plate.  I have adopted some things from the original TAG publication and some 
from other society publications.  Since this material includes policy and 
society purpose, I request that each of you review it.  Please mark it up and 
make any needed changes, additions or deletions.
Note: I want  our stated purpose to be consistent with the criteria for 
establishing non-profit status.
     Under IRS code 501(c)(5), Horticultural organizations may be tax exempt 
(i.e. nonprofit) if their      primary purpose relate to "techniques of 
production,..., development of efficiency, or improvement of      the grade of 
products."  Under 501(c)(7), social and recreation clubs, including hobby clubs 
can also      qualify.  For these we must show evidence that fellowship exist 
among members.  "Members must be      bound together by a common objective 
directed towards pleasure, recreation and other nonprofitable      purposes." 
aquatic plant culturing techniques.  I think this will justify non-profit 
status, when and if      we ever apply.
I have written several letters to publishers of aquarium books (U.S., England, 
Holland), requesting permission to reprint illustrations.  I think the 
publication can benefit from good line drawings which can be found in the 
literature.  I briefly checked into copyright laws and it seems that approval 
may be needed for anything published after 1934.  Several societies appear to 
reprint from books, but I don't feel comfortable without at least attempting to 
get permission.
Jare: if you come across any pre-1934 stuff involving line drawings of plants 
or planted aquaria, let me know (to see if I already have it), or send me a 
good photocopy.
Dorothy: I enclose three membership checks from Raleigh (including one from 
me).  One is from Jim Bellina who was one of the 2 guys selling plants up at 
the Chicago ACA convention.  Coincidentally, he just moved to Raleigh.
I have been corresponding with Bruce Watts of California.  He had been writing 
to Dick, because he wanted to get involved in the AAGA.  Dick referred him to 
me.  I offered him the "jobs" of writing articles for the journal and becoming 
the "Horticulture Liaison with Aquarium Societies."  I suggested the latter 
position, in part, to get us previously published articles from the various 
Horticultural Award Committees.  He eagerly accepted both opportunities.  I 
hope the "appointment" is OK with the two of you. Let me know if your have any 
ideas how we should handle the next "volunteer."  
I got Lyle Marshall's phone no. and called him.  He is undergoing chemo-therapy 
and says that he is reasonably stable.  He said that he was sitting on my 
letter until he was in a better position to know if he could make a commitment. 
 He was very soft spoken on the phone, but he indicated that he would like to 
do the Plant and Materials Listing.  Since it had always been 1 page, he 
thought this would be within his capabilities.  he said that he can't bend over 
the typewriter for too long. 
What do you think about this.  Do we want to do the P & L Listing?  If so, 
when.  If we do one, I think that it should be on the even months (like trading 
post) and that we should not start it before April.  
Dorothy:  Can you give Lyle a call and see how you feel about it.
Lyle is supposed to check his files for any useful publication materials.  He 
is also going to inventory back issues.  He says he has a substantial number 
(too many to ship to me) and has all issues except one.  He says he would be 
willing to do a mailing of back issue sales from Michigan.  Once I get his 
letter, I could advertise availability of back issues.  I suggest selling them 
for $2.00 each.  Since we will have other (new) back issues in the future, I 
should be the contact point listed in the magazine.  I could then forward the 
"orders" to Lyle for shipping.
Mike Korzeniewski sent me some HAP articles and indicated that he wants to be a 
Committee Chair.  
Dorothy:  You know him - what do your think he should do?
Jare:  any comments on the publication numbering conventions.  If I don't hear 
from you, the first issue of The Aquatic Gardener will be Vol. 4, No. 1, with 
the 2 sides of the cover page counting as p.1 & 2.  The cover for the first 
issue will have a half-tone of a planted aquarium and hopefully will change 
with each issue.
Jare:  can you send me the first published issue of the AAGA publication, if 
you have any extra.  I don't seem to have it.  Also, can you check your set and 
let me know what issues were published.  I want to confirm that I have all of 
the others that were published.
Finally, I submit for your consideration an idea to solicit advertisers for the 
TAG.  I think that it can generate a lot of revenue and permit us to do more 
with the publication.  My feeling is that the better the publication, the more 
members we will get and keep.  
That's all for now.  
Responses / Comments Needed on:
1. Boilerplate - policy 
2. How to handle volunteers/next needed job
3. Publication numbering convention
4. List of published issue of TAG
5. P & L Listing - when and by whom
6.  Selling of back issues thru Lyle
7. Approval and suggested changes to advertising plan:
     a. Approval to print 40 extra copies of January 1991 TAG
     b. Rates, combined with "corporate" membership
     C  Changes to Manufacturers list
                                   Sincerely,
                                                          Advertising Proposal
     I think that we should accept advertising from manufacturers, provided 
that we charge enough to cover our expenses and to also make a reasonable 
profit.  This could be a useful fund raiser.  I propose the following schedule. 
               3 issues        6 issues      6 issues
               (1/2 year)          (1 year)       (1 year, including AGA 
membership)
1 page              $60                 $100           $125
1/2 page       $35                 $60            $75
1/4 page       $20                 $35            $50
(These rates are based on an annual printing and mailing budget of 
approximately $1200-$1500; - for 200-250 members.  As our membership grows and 
we need to print/mail more issues, we would have to adjust the rates upward or 
reduce the allocated space to advertising.  These rates are approximately 
double those discussed in previous AAGA board correspondence.)
What do you think about these rates? 
If we decide to do it, I would be willing to send a letter to prospective 
advertisers - companies that make plant products - lights, fertilizers, CO2, 
those that sell plants - companies in which our members are also interested. I 
suggest that we wait until we can send them a copy of the first magazine.  I 
think that the investment in making extra copies for this purpose should pay 
off.  I have come up with a list of about 25.  With this number, we wouldn't 
need to invest too much at first. This would also keep it manageable. I request 
your approval to print an extra 40 copies for this purpose.  If you have any 
ideas who different should be on the list, let me know.  I came up with the 
following:
Hawaiian Marine Imports (Eheim products)
Aquarium Products (Triton bulbs)
Hagen (filters, peat moss, etc.)
Sandpoint Aquarium Products (Controllers, filters)
Energy Savers Unlimited   (lighting systems, plant food, carbonate hardness 
controller)
Rainbow Lifegard Aquarium Products (lighting)
Horizon Growers Nursery (Tropica Aquarium Plants - danish)
Tetra Sales
J.P. Burleson, Inc. (Dupla Products)
Execufish (Execulite fixtures, bulbs, we-dry filters)
Discus Haven (RO filtration systems)
Innovate Corporation (Siporax filter material)
Joe Gargas (______________)
Hamilton Technology Corp.      (lighting systems - fluorescent and metal halide)
Regal Discus (freshwater we-dry filters and RO units)
Rena (lighting supplies)
Python Products (water changer)
Aquarium Lights, Inc (complete line of aquarium lighting)
AquariumInstruments (monitoring products, incl. pH controllers)
DLS Aquatics (filters and lighting)
Biotype Life Support Systems (_____________)
Thiel Aqua Tech (_________________)
Delaware Aquatic Imports (plants)
Back to nature Filtration (RO units)
I would appreciate your responses as soon as possible.          
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
     Mike Kornzeniewski                          November 9, 1990
     Dear Mike,
          Thanks for your articles and your offer to help.  Dorothy, Jare and I 
haven't yet determined      what committee should be filled next.  Either she 
or I will be getting back to you real soon.  By the      way, in case you 
didn't realize it, I was one of the others at the ACA in Chicago, who was 
talking      about reviving the AGA.  In fact, I enlisted Dorothy!  
          Now, back to your articles.  They were great and the type of material 
I want to include in      The Aqutic Gardener.  I have 3 brief questions:
     First, is something missing from the 4th paragraph.  You say "With regular 
pruning,...against the      plant developing into a small undernourished 
     forms."  Was a line of text dropped between the last 2 words?  
     Second, what address should I include with your article when I publish it 
in TAG.  
     Third, are your articles on an IBM compatible computer.  If so, could you 
send me a 5 1/2" diskette      in either ascii/dos format or wordperfect 
format.  This would save me a lot of typing.  Also, if you      have such 
capability, would you be willing to help with the typing for those articles 
which I receive      in hard copy.
          Finally, thanks for the GDAS bulletin.  I was wondering who was 
sending it.
                              Sincerely,                              Neil Frank
                           6205 Lookout Loop
                           Raleigh, NC 27612
                                                November 17, 1990
     Dear Dale,
     In response to your 9 Nov letter -
     Regarding publication exchanges, I do not believe that AGA can afford to 
exchange TAG with      aquarium societies.  In time, we would be expected to 
exchange with 50 or more societies.  This      would cost us approximately $300 
per year (printing and postage).  Maybe in the future, we should      consider 
this.  I would prefer to get reprint material directly from authors and others 
who have access      to club publications.  Of course, AGA would provide 
author's and society's copies when required.
     Regarding reprinting of illustrations, I have received permission, so far, 
from 2 publishers - TFH and      Great Outdoors Publishing.  Hopefully, I will 
recieve others.
     On a new subject, can you enlighten me about the technical journals that 
deal with aquatic plants.       Are there any that I should be looking at.  I 
can investigate them in the university library.
                                   Sincerely,
                                   
     P.S.  Dorothy tells me that she has received at least 40 new memberships 
to the AGA.               
                            Neil Frank
                        6205 Lookout Loop
                        Raleigh, NC 27612
                          (919) 848-3763
                                                November 17, 1990
Dear Mike,
     Thanks for your recent letter and confidential comments.  Also, thanks for 
your over to help me with the typing and with transferring files to me on 5 
1/2" wordperfect diskettes.  I would give you plenty of lead time, say 1 month 
or more.  Accordingly, I enclose a few items on which you can get started.  
Don't worry about grammar, etc.  I will reformat into final form.
I, too, am not a botanist or even a biologist.  I am just an aquarium keeper, 
who has had a keen interest and fascination with aquatic plants ever since I 
started in the hobby almost 40 years ago.  I got involved with the management 
of the Aquatic Gardeners Association out of frustration with its inactivity and 
not wanting it to die.  No one else was willing to step forward.  In fact, in 
April of this year I had become temporary President.  I received moral support 
from Ron Wheeler and Ray Lucas (1988 board members) as well as from Dick Van 
Hyfte, Joan Glasscock and Jare Sausaman (other board members).  Unfortunately, 
with the exception of Jare, no one was willing to do much more than answer 
board letters.  As you know, you can't run an organization on advice alone.  
After shaking the bushes for several months, and almost giving up entirely, a 
deal was struck in Chicago.  I became editor (which was understood as being at 
least as important as president), Dorothy agreed to take care of membership and 
Jare to be treasurer.  The three of us felt that we would do our best to get 
the organization back on its feet, and as a "steering committee," we would try 
to do without "president."  So far we are doing fine. The first issue of The 
Aquatic Gardener (the journal of the AGA), will be mailed out in early January. 
 I am finalizing it now.  By the way, I hope this explanation clears up the 
difference between AGA and TAG.  And we did decide to drop American from the 
old name.  We go Dick Van Hyfte to agree.  I originally brought up the idea.  
Dorothy concurred that American is not synonymous with North American, but 
instead tends to refer to the U.S.  At least that was one Canadian's point of 
view.  We felt that the change would make the organization more international 
and hopefully would allow us to attract more members.
     
     When you overhear any new conversations about the credentials of the 
steering committee, please refer the skeptics to me.  But only, if they are 
willing to help.  We can definitely use more people.  After several months of 
operation, we probably will re-institute a board and adopt new bi-laws.  For 
now, our priority is to re-establish credibility by putting out a good 
publication.  This is what I promise to do.
     Some of the names you mention have already been contacted.  Bob Clark's 
article on flowering crypts will be in the January issue of TAG. (Ron Wheeler 
recruited him).  I have already written a letter to Arie de Graaf (whom I had 
the pleasure of meeting at the ICC in Orlando).  Do you know him?  I also wrote 
to Barry james, with whom I had corresponded in the past.  As you may know, 
Barry was a co-founder of the International Society of Aquatic Plants in 1986 
or 1987, but did not seem to get off the ground.  Finally, I will be seeing Bob 
Gasser next month in Florida.  I may not keep that many plants, but until 
someone else comes along, I will do the job.  (By the way, I do maintain plants 
in 10-12 tanks and am now building my first open plant tank, a 70g with 4-6 
bulbs)
     I believe that Dorothy will do a great job at recruiting new members.  She 
is not a scientist whose expertise is in identifying plant species, but from 
what I have heard, she knows how to grow them.  She has a love for plants and 
to me that is more important than being fluent in Latin.  Others in the 
organization will help out on the technical side.  Dale Speirs, for example, is 
in charge of the Technical Advisory Committee. But Identifying plants will not 
be his charge.  Plant ID's is a real problem in the industry.  Besides the 
misnaming of plants, there are so many synonyms.  In some cases, the plant may 
come out of Florida as something like Echinodorus florida.  One of the projects 
I would like to see AGA tackle is to develop a guide which matches the plant 
names the growers use vs. the names we see in the books.  Of course, we 
couldn't do this with plants that require flowers for positive ID's.
     Tell me about Jim Langhammer.  Ross Socolof mentioned Jim's name to me as 
someone who I may want to approach for the AGA.  I never met him.
     I believe that the people who join the AGA may not necessarily know about 
plants, at least at first.  What is important is that they want to learn about 
them.  We will attract enough people who either know about them or know what 
questions to ask.  My interest deals more with the latter.  One of the 
functions of TAG will be to provide a forum for exchanging ideas, raising 
questions and proving answers.  Sometimes, we will publish opinions and will 
see both sides of an issue presented.  We will publish ideas for conducting 
research to answer question; research that can be performed by hobbyists in the 
laboratory of their fish room (or should I start saying plant room).  We will 
be debating some topics, that may never be resolved.  We may also find that 
there is not one way to grow plants, at least to the satisfaction of the 
average hobbyist.  The same is true for fish.
     Moving to another important subject - I definitely want you to be part of 
the team.  I like your enthusiasm.   However, I can't give you a specific job.  
In part, because I don't know and can't decide by myself what is the next 
priority.  If you don't mind, just hang in there for now.  If you have any 
ideas, or hear about something that others think the organization needs, let me 
know.  You say that you have been involved in the hobby 25 years.  Have you 
been involved with other organizations?  Obviously, you seem to be involved 
with the AA.
     Now that I see that I am on page 3, I must close this off.  I don't have a 
great source for plants.  One is Swanee nursery near Tampa.  I haven't ordered 
from Delaware Aquatics in a few years.  Mike used to have nice stuff, esp. 
crypts.  As far a conventions go, that is far off in the future, not for at 
least 1 year,may be two.  It all depends on the groundswell, and the amount of 
criticism we may get.  Let me know what you hear.
                         Sincerely,
P.S.  Were those HAP articles you sent me previously published by GDAS.  If so, 
can you tell me when.  When I reprint stuff, I like to date it.  I had assumed 
that you were sending me those HAP articles and to GDAS at the same time.  I 
will be including the Barclaya in the January issue.  I even have a line 
drawing to accompany the text.  I will do it as a GDAS reprint if you prefer, 
but it will come across better if it just had your name.
P.S.S.  I would like to add one add'l detail to your Barclaya article - in what 
depth water were they under the 2 48" lights.  I can modify your text by 
saying, "My bulbs were placed in ___ deep ___ gallon tanks, ... ."  Please 
write back quickly or call.  Thanks.
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