Yea, I thought about replying last night too. I also
chose not to.
I also meant to say something a few months ago when we
added him to the MCM about the fact that I did not
think having a club rep on the MCM is necessarily a
good idea unless that person warranted such
consideration on their own merits.
At the time I was going to suggest a new email list to
replace the MCM but I never sent the mail cuz I
thought maybe I was just paranoid and that we were
going to get to list crazy anyways.
My thoughts about "Skids" are about the same as the
other guys out there. They want to do a good job but
aside from their claims of all of this experience they
have in running national conventions the most basic
concepts seem to escape them. Jim L on the other hand
seems like he is a little better suited to the
responsibilities of an AGA.
Please stop me from telling Skids "It's better to burn
out than to fade away ":-)
Regards,
Larry
PS. On a serious note if noone else wants to respond I
will do it.
--- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> Anyone else wanna have a go replying to this one?
> Maybe I'm still not
> able to discern whether a post is hostile or not, or
> maybe it's just
> SFBAAPS-speak. But I've tried to reply three times,
> cancelled, reaching
> the conclusion that addressing any points other than
> the direct questions
> about square footage or vendor space at the end
> (which I don't really have
> the answers to anyway) is just going to tick him off
> more. ("Where were
> you last April?" "You know that expression, fool me
> once, shame on you;
> fool me twice..." "Where in the message did it say
> 'feel good'?" "Don't
> even TALK to me about burnout" "If the bid is so far
> along, how come when
> anyone asks how the plan is coming, there's dead
> silence?")
>
> This just reminds me so much of Jeff Kropp and Dave
> Gomberg's attitude
> earlier this year. I suppose they are the two
> "burnouts".
>
> - Erik
>
> PS: Jim L has been quite pleasant to talk with this
> week, and he e-mailed
> me tonight about the hotel search tomorrow &
> promised he'd give an update
> during the weekend.
>
> --
> Erik Olson
> erik at thekrib dot com
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:03:49 -0700
> From: Michael Skidmore <mskidmore@alamedanet.net>
> Reply-To: AGA Advisory Committee
> <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> To: aga-mcm@thekrib.com
> Subject: [AGA-mcm] RE: AGA-mcm Digest, Vol 14, Issue
> 17
>
> >In reality these things are created before the bid
> is completed, with
> >people from both clubs talking, sharing experience,
> making suggestions,
> >helping with negotiations, etc.
> >By the time the bid has been written out, it's
> well-known what the
> >convention entails.
>
>
> What? That's quite different than what is written in
> the AGA draft bid
> guidelines and the instructions I have received to
> date. Our club is not
> going to try to make you 'feel good' about this. We
> are going to make a bid.
> It will be compelling, well thought out, researched
> and will have sufficient
> substance to let the host committee decide if it is
> appropriate to award to
> SFBAAPS. The AGA can accept it or reject it. In
> fact, if another club
> submits a better bid than it would be in the AGA's
> best interest to accept
> the best bid, of all bids received. It's my
> understanding that the deadline
> for submitting a bid is 9 months out with 12 months
> requested. So that would
> be this Nov 10th. I have participated in 3 national
> conventions ranging from
> 150 to 6000 registrants, as well as designing and
> building a convention
> center for UCSD. I have never in the past spent more
> time discussing how to
> make the host committee 'feel good' in lieu of
> discussing how to develop the
> convention. Our bid will include a marketing and
> sales plan with enough
> detail to market to the AGA board and assoc.
> members. "Impressing the
> importance" of this on SFBAAPS members has already
> burned out two very
> motivated and knowledgeable members.
>
> I'll be checking out hotels tomorrow with Jim and
> Michael L. Dave G may or
> may not come, he is still burned out after the first
> exp back in Feb. and
> spending 3 days looking at hotels and negotiating.
> The one element of
> guidance I noticed is lacking from the guidelines is
> the square footage of
> the conf. area expected. I will go on my past exp.
> And anticipate the need
> for 1 hosp suite, 1 speaker ready room, and a conf
> room with space for 150
> -200. What isn't clear to me is if you would prefer
> vendor tables around the
> perimeter of the conf room (to maximize mingling) or
> in an adjacent room
> which is quieter for main session but draws vendors
> away to tend their
> tables. If there are other space needs or nice to
> haves, let us know and
> well tell you what we find. We have already
> established an agenda, sample
> brochures, side events and recruited very
> experienced local help from SVAS
> and ACA as mentors and sources of volunteers. If
> you were willing to have
> it early, Sacramento would love to do a joint
> convention with FINDIG and AGA
> combined. But they meet annually two weeks earlier,
> on last weekend of Oct.
>
> Skids
>
>
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