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Re: [AGA-sc] San Jose Report



Oh good.<g>  So he'll probably help us out, but I'll have to listen to an 
earful to get the help. ;-)

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl Rogers" <cheryl@wilstream.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] San Jose Report


> Tom told me over the phone that he has the greatest respect for the AGA
> and still intends to help us. He is mad at the SF people because they
> ask him for his advice and then make fun of him when his advice changes.
> At first he was saying that the ADA substrates were no better than
> anything else, and now he has tried them and is singing a new tune.
> Apparently some folks at SFBAAPS called him on it and now he's pissed
> because after all, THEY didn't do any experimenting.
>
> Of course, this is Tom's side of the story. Who knows what really 
> happened.
>
> Anyway, as of a month ago, he was not mad at US.
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> Karen Randall wrote:
>> Thanks for the update, Erik!  It sounds like it was a productive and
>> uplifting meeting.  Just reading about it got me more excited again, 
>> rather
>> than, "Oh, God, we've GOT to pull this off!!!"
>>
>> I am a little concerned about the situation with Tom.  He had agreed to 
>> take
>> Troels, Ole and me (as host<g>) out collecting, and now is not even
>> returning direct e-mails.  Fortunately, since Cheryl had his telephone
>> number, I can try to call him today.
>>
>> If he can't/won't take us out, we've got to arrange something else as
>> entertainment for those guys.  I know Tom has taken people in the Bay 
>> Area
>> club out before.  maybe we can get one of those to help us get to the
>> locations.  I suspect Troels and Ole don't really NEED Tom to tell them 
>> much
>> about aquatic plants once we get there ;-)
>>
>> In fact, even if Tom DOES still agree to do it, it might not be a bad 
>> idea
>> to have a back-up pesron who knows the locations and has a car.  But I
>> didn't want to bring this all up on the general list, have it get back to
>> Toma dn cause another kerfluffle.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:30 AM
>> Subject: [AGA-sc] San Jose Report
>>
>>
>>> Met with Jim L ("convention chair"), Michael LaFlamme (my little 
>>> helper),
>>> and Chuck Rambo (my SVAS contact, ACA bigwig, and local Bay Area Mole) 
>>> at
>>> 3:30 in the hotel before heading off.
>>>
>>> Michael's wife is lending us a nice laser printer (HP Laserjet 2200).  I
>>> tested it with the auction computer and it works great.  We will be able
>>> to use this for printing incidentals like walk-in badges or signs) as
>>> needed through the weekend, and also for auction receipts on Sunday.
>>> Very cool.  She also has access to seven LCD projectors, so we could get 
>>> a
>>> backup that way.  Chuck said he could bring the SVAS projector as well.
>>> Nice.  We need to remember to get a 25-foot VGA cable, though (Larry, do
>>> you have access to that one I bought for you guys?)  (Karen, please 
>>> bring
>>> your projector regardless, if you can!)
>>>
>>> Transferred 75 pounds of A/V and auction gear to Michael, where it'll 
>>> sit
>>> in storage until November.  Nice load of my stress level.
>>>
>>> Went off to the meeting, where we were joined by Leon Garden ("Field
>>> Trip") and Karleton ("PR guy #2").
>>>
>>> Leon imparted the info I have now mentioned in the other e-mails about
>>> there being 60 tickets available, but that there are only 50 bus slots. 
>>> I
>>> do remember him saying there might be more like 54 bus slots, but let's
>>> shoot for 50).  Discussed the minivan plan.  Reiterated that he has all
>>> the snack stuff taken care of.  Jim has volunteered to tip the driver 
>>> and
>>> be the FT headcounter guy/chair.
>>>
>>> Leon also re-iterated his Krombholz-like desire to return to the
>>> Chattanooga-style auction where everything was silent and the items got
>>> stuffed into bags and picked up at the end.  Boy, he dislikes those live
>>> auctions, and having to surrender his driver's license.  (Do we have to
>>> make them surrender their drivers license?)  I explained that this was 
>>> all
>>> well and good when we had 1/5 the amount of stuff to sell, but there 
>>> just
>>> was no way we could pull this off anymore.  He was mildly impressed that 
>>> I
>>> at least had the silent and live auctions tied together on the same
>>> system, and that we'd be using a computer rig that at least one person 
>>> was
>>> familiar with (not to mention a spare hard drive with a backup image of
>>> the entire auction database machine that can be installed in virtually 
>>> any
>>> laptop if something happens to the main system).  He's still not
>>> convinced, but we agree to disagree.
>>>
>>> Discussed at length why various people were going AWOL.  Always amusing 
>>> to
>>> hear the responses:
>>>
>>>   Skids: Talks big, then shies back.  Michael L was just plain 
>>> embarrased
>>>          about the whole "We're going to make a GREAT bid!" posturing.
>>>
>>>   Bill Harada: Pissed that we're not letting volunteers get in the talks
>>>      for free.  Apparently off sulking.  (Sorry, this chronology
>>>  doesn't make sense, as he stopped participating long before we had
>>>  the stupid thread with Gomberg.)  Later heard he was also sulking
>>>  about not having his stuff used, whatever that means.  Kareleton
>>>  will ask him about making a large poster and/or program blowup
>>>  for registration area.
>>>
>>>   Gomberg: Everyone was asking about who would be Gomberg's "keeper". 
>>> Jim
>>>  had some interesting perspective on PAM from the perspective
>>>  of an old-timer local...speaking of which...
>>>
>>>   Jim: Did you know Jim was a member of the AAGA?
>>>  Check out TAG V4#4, page 114... I pulled it up on my archive DVD!
>>>
>>>   Tom: Apparently Tom has stopped returning e-mails from SFBAAPS folks.
>>>  He is alienating every forum and mailing list one by one. He also
>>>  is now working for UC Davis.
>>>
>>> Iron Aquascaper challenge will be entirely handled by SFBAAPS folks.
>>> This seems to be a mutually agreeable idea: I think Jim really wants
>>> SFBAAPS to handle at least one aspect of the convention, and to me 
>>> nothing
>>> important hinges on the Iron Aquascaper part.  They can have fun with 
>>> it.
>>> Jim (and perhaps Karleton, who took lots of notes) will insure that they
>>> have equipment, materials, and people.  We brainstormed some pretty cool
>>> and funny ideas to include, include sport-announcer commentary,
>>> American Idol style bickering amongst the judges, tag-team handoffs
>>> mid-scaping, "And now, representing the Dallas-Fort Worth Club,
>>> Laaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrry LAM-PERT!".  I suggested at least one joke
>>> material such as a plastic castle be included in the materials.  So 
>>> we'll
>>> see.
>>>
>>> Jim has offered to also handle buying of hospitality food/beverage if
>>> needed.  Those in the know could perhaps advise?  (I had no idea, 
>>> because
>>> I have no experience in this area.)
>>>
>>> Meeting started.  Talk went pretty good.  Happy to see their wireless
>>> system (more expensive than mine) crackles and buzzes something awful.
>>> Caught myself turning my head and getting my voice cut off many times -- 
>>> I'm one of those bad speakers who does that!
>>>
>>> We got a couple of people offer to volunteer as runners or reg helpers.
>>>
>>> Several folks said they're coming, so I think we might see 5-10 
>>> hotel-less
>>> walkins from SVAS.  (We'll have to decide how stringent we're going to 
>>> be
>>> about the club affiliations.  I would suggest we drop the requirement 
>>> for
>>> anyone who volunteers as a runner or reg helper from one of these other
>>> clubs.)
>>>
>>> As I mentioned elsewhere, Chuck Rambo wants to put up fliers, so we need 
>>> a
>>> flyer.  Good timing from Kirsten on conheads!
>>>
>>> I really found it good to talk to the guys face-to-face.  I really wish
>>> there was a way for all of us to talk to all of them this way.  Try
>>> explaining to someone in e-mail how we just can't let everyone who
>>> volunteers in for free vs. explaining this calmly to them directly,
>>> letting them explain their point.
>>>
>>> Jim asked me point blank "Why do you do this?"  (a statement that says
>>> much about the local club/forum/slacker/whatever mentality more than
>>> anything I could come up with).
>>>
>>> I had to think about it... I said that I personally do this because I 
>>> like
>>> working A/V an putting together the disks, but I wasn't really sure
>>> anymore.  Later on during the plant swap, Jim started talking excitedly
>>> with another member about one of the bags, showing how he grew it
>>> under certain conditions, but this other one he never really had luck
>>> with, etc etc.  It was then that it hit me the real reason.  I love
>>> hanging out with all these plant geeks, talking this stuff for 3 days
>>> straight, seeing a hundred other people just having a good time doing 
>>> the
>>> same.  It's very hard to remember why, when everything's all clouded up 
>>> in
>>> these layers on layers of planning, stress, and beaurocracy, but once we
>>> get in that Hospitality room on the 9th and start bagging auction
>>> plants...that's the reason.
>>>
>>>    - Erik
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Erik Olson
>>> erik at thekrib dot com
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