Oh good.<g> So he'll probably help us out, but I'll have to listen to an earful to get the help. ;-) Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rogers" <cheryl@wilstream.com> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] San Jose Report > Tom told me over the phone that he has the greatest respect for the AGA > and still intends to help us. He is mad at the SF people because they > ask him for his advice and then make fun of him when his advice changes. > At first he was saying that the ADA substrates were no better than > anything else, and now he has tried them and is singing a new tune. > Apparently some folks at SFBAAPS called him on it and now he's pissed > because after all, THEY didn't do any experimenting. > > Of course, this is Tom's side of the story. Who knows what really > happened. > > Anyway, as of a month ago, he was not mad at US. > > Cheryl > > > > Karen Randall wrote: >> Thanks for the update, Erik! It sounds like it was a productive and >> uplifting meeting. Just reading about it got me more excited again, >> rather >> than, "Oh, God, we've GOT to pull this off!!!" >> >> I am a little concerned about the situation with Tom. He had agreed to >> take >> Troels, Ole and me (as host<g>) out collecting, and now is not even >> returning direct e-mails. Fortunately, since Cheryl had his telephone >> number, I can try to call him today. >> >> If he can't/won't take us out, we've got to arrange something else as >> entertainment for those guys. I know Tom has taken people in the Bay >> Area >> club out before. maybe we can get one of those to help us get to the >> locations. I suspect Troels and Ole don't really NEED Tom to tell them >> much >> about aquatic plants once we get there ;-) >> >> In fact, even if Tom DOES still agree to do it, it might not be a bad >> idea >> to have a back-up pesron who knows the locations and has a car. But I >> didn't want to bring this all up on the general list, have it get back to >> Toma dn cause another kerfluffle. >> >> Karen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com> >> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:30 AM >> Subject: [AGA-sc] San Jose Report >> >> >>> Met with Jim L ("convention chair"), Michael LaFlamme (my little >>> helper), >>> and Chuck Rambo (my SVAS contact, ACA bigwig, and local Bay Area Mole) >>> at >>> 3:30 in the hotel before heading off. >>> >>> Michael's wife is lending us a nice laser printer (HP Laserjet 2200). I >>> tested it with the auction computer and it works great. We will be able >>> to use this for printing incidentals like walk-in badges or signs) as >>> needed through the weekend, and also for auction receipts on Sunday. >>> Very cool. She also has access to seven LCD projectors, so we could get >>> a >>> backup that way. Chuck said he could bring the SVAS projector as well. >>> Nice. We need to remember to get a 25-foot VGA cable, though (Larry, do >>> you have access to that one I bought for you guys?) (Karen, please >>> bring >>> your projector regardless, if you can!) >>> >>> Transferred 75 pounds of A/V and auction gear to Michael, where it'll >>> sit >>> in storage until November. Nice load of my stress level. >>> >>> Went off to the meeting, where we were joined by Leon Garden ("Field >>> Trip") and Karleton ("PR guy #2"). >>> >>> Leon imparted the info I have now mentioned in the other e-mails about >>> there being 60 tickets available, but that there are only 50 bus slots. >>> I >>> do remember him saying there might be more like 54 bus slots, but let's >>> shoot for 50). Discussed the minivan plan. Reiterated that he has all >>> the snack stuff taken care of. Jim has volunteered to tip the driver >>> and >>> be the FT headcounter guy/chair. >>> >>> Leon also re-iterated his Krombholz-like desire to return to the >>> Chattanooga-style auction where everything was silent and the items got >>> stuffed into bags and picked up at the end. Boy, he dislikes those live >>> auctions, and having to surrender his driver's license. (Do we have to >>> make them surrender their drivers license?) I explained that this was >>> all >>> well and good when we had 1/5 the amount of stuff to sell, but there >>> just >>> was no way we could pull this off anymore. He was mildly impressed that >>> I >>> at least had the silent and live auctions tied together on the same >>> system, and that we'd be using a computer rig that at least one person >>> was >>> familiar with (not to mention a spare hard drive with a backup image of >>> the entire auction database machine that can be installed in virtually >>> any >>> laptop if something happens to the main system). He's still not >>> convinced, but we agree to disagree. >>> >>> Discussed at length why various people were going AWOL. Always amusing >>> to >>> hear the responses: >>> >>> Skids: Talks big, then shies back. Michael L was just plain >>> embarrased >>> about the whole "We're going to make a GREAT bid!" posturing. >>> >>> Bill Harada: Pissed that we're not letting volunteers get in the talks >>> for free. Apparently off sulking. (Sorry, this chronology >>> doesn't make sense, as he stopped participating long before we had >>> the stupid thread with Gomberg.) Later heard he was also sulking >>> about not having his stuff used, whatever that means. Kareleton >>> will ask him about making a large poster and/or program blowup >>> for registration area. >>> >>> Gomberg: Everyone was asking about who would be Gomberg's "keeper". >>> Jim >>> had some interesting perspective on PAM from the perspective >>> of an old-timer local...speaking of which... >>> >>> Jim: Did you know Jim was a member of the AAGA? >>> Check out TAG V4#4, page 114... I pulled it up on my archive DVD! >>> >>> Tom: Apparently Tom has stopped returning e-mails from SFBAAPS folks. >>> He is alienating every forum and mailing list one by one. He also >>> is now working for UC Davis. >>> >>> Iron Aquascaper challenge will be entirely handled by SFBAAPS folks. >>> This seems to be a mutually agreeable idea: I think Jim really wants >>> SFBAAPS to handle at least one aspect of the convention, and to me >>> nothing >>> important hinges on the Iron Aquascaper part. They can have fun with >>> it. >>> Jim (and perhaps Karleton, who took lots of notes) will insure that they >>> have equipment, materials, and people. We brainstormed some pretty cool >>> and funny ideas to include, include sport-announcer commentary, >>> American Idol style bickering amongst the judges, tag-team handoffs >>> mid-scaping, "And now, representing the Dallas-Fort Worth Club, >>> Laaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrry LAM-PERT!". I suggested at least one joke >>> material such as a plastic castle be included in the materials. So >>> we'll >>> see. >>> >>> Jim has offered to also handle buying of hospitality food/beverage if >>> needed. Those in the know could perhaps advise? (I had no idea, >>> because >>> I have no experience in this area.) >>> >>> Meeting started. Talk went pretty good. Happy to see their wireless >>> system (more expensive than mine) crackles and buzzes something awful. >>> Caught myself turning my head and getting my voice cut off many times -- >>> I'm one of those bad speakers who does that! >>> >>> We got a couple of people offer to volunteer as runners or reg helpers. >>> >>> Several folks said they're coming, so I think we might see 5-10 >>> hotel-less >>> walkins from SVAS. (We'll have to decide how stringent we're going to >>> be >>> about the club affiliations. I would suggest we drop the requirement >>> for >>> anyone who volunteers as a runner or reg helper from one of these other >>> clubs.) >>> >>> As I mentioned elsewhere, Chuck Rambo wants to put up fliers, so we need >>> a >>> flyer. Good timing from Kirsten on conheads! >>> >>> I really found it good to talk to the guys face-to-face. I really wish >>> there was a way for all of us to talk to all of them this way. Try >>> explaining to someone in e-mail how we just can't let everyone who >>> volunteers in for free vs. explaining this calmly to them directly, >>> letting them explain their point. >>> >>> Jim asked me point blank "Why do you do this?" (a statement that says >>> much about the local club/forum/slacker/whatever mentality more than >>> anything I could come up with). >>> >>> I had to think about it... I said that I personally do this because I >>> like >>> working A/V an putting together the disks, but I wasn't really sure >>> anymore. Later on during the plant swap, Jim started talking excitedly >>> with another member about one of the bags, showing how he grew it >>> under certain conditions, but this other one he never really had luck >>> with, etc etc. It was then that it hit me the real reason. I love >>> hanging out with all these plant geeks, talking this stuff for 3 days >>> straight, seeing a hundred other people just having a good time doing >>> the >>> same. It's very hard to remember why, when everything's all clouded up >>> in >>> these layers on layers of planning, stress, and beaurocracy, but once we >>> get in that Hospitality room on the 9th and start bagging auction >>> plants...that's the reason. >>> >>> - Erik >>> >>> -- >>> Erik Olson >>> erik at thekrib dot com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AGA-sc mailing list >>> AGA-sc@thekrib.com >>> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-sc >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AGA-sc mailing list >> AGA-sc@thekrib.com >> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-sc >> >> > _______________________________________________ > AGA-sc mailing list > AGA-sc@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-sc > _______________________________________________ AGA-sc mailing list AGA-sc@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-sc