Re: [AGA-sc] Greetings (fwd)

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

Well, technically, I'm sure that's how they report to the IRS. ;-)  It's 
actually a complex multiparty business arrangment wrapped up in a 
how-do-you-do. But the complexes are mostly between the manufacturers and Ray.

It's room and board and that list of stuff from the club in exchange for 
display of goods and the donation (from Ray or the vendors) of some of the 
goods.
Ray is the hod-do-you-do in the center of it.

I once bought a house that ended up being a three party deal and before it was 
over, I actually bought the house from someone I never met or heard of who 
owned the house for mere minutes.


Like Deep Throat said, if you want it to make sense, then you have to follow 
the money.  ;-)

sh





 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>
To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Greetings (fwd)


I thought the manufacturers donated the goods and that was why the 
organization wasn't supposed to contact them separately.

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Greetings (fwd)


> The basic arrangement, except for tax purposes, is that, in essence, the 
> club buys the goods for a flat fee and Ray presents them for one or two 
> days, then they go into auction on behalf of the club. In exchange for 
> presenting  the goods, the goods-makers pay Ray's trans. The club also 
> pay's Ray's room and board. Ray also auctioneers, although I've only seen 
> this at a few bigger events.
>
> I just want us to be clear up front what is usual or unusual in the 
> arrangement we made this year.
>
>
> sh
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com>
> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:37:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Greetings (fwd)
>
>
> Also, Ray usually has some basic requirements. These are quoted from the 
> ones he gave us for AGA2K4. Will all they apply in AGA2K6:
>
> # Ray's Hotel and Food costs incurred during the event.
> # 8 - 8' tables or 10 - 6' tables for display purposes.
> # Secured, lockable room for displays.
> # Your event must be a 2 - 3 day event.
> # Products must be displayed until Sunday A.M.
> # 1 year Membership corresponding Membership. (publication only)
> # Individual thank you letters for the donated products and Ray's service
> to each manufacturer.
> # If Kingfish Services is attending your event, you must not write to the
> represented manufacturers asking for donations for your event.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kathy Olson <kathy@thekrib.com>
> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:52:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Greetings (fwd)
>
>
> Hi,
> I never heard about a basic fee...
>
> Did this happen at the ACA larry???
>
> K
>
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, S. Hieber wrote:
>
>> The usual deal was the Fee plus room and board (btw, Ray is not at all 
>> outlandish with he meal reimbursement requests).
>>
>> So is the basic fee not being charged? I don't recall the amount but 
>> something like $1500 or so-- this essentially bought the goods that would 
>> be donated to the auction.
>>
>> sh
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>> To: aga-sc@thekrib.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:09:17 AM
>> Subject: [AGA-sc] Greetings (fwd)
>>
>>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> Kathy talked with Ray this evening and got the skinny...
>>
>> He really wants to come out and do this.  Part of it is that he really
>> wants to help out; part of it is that he wants to visit San Francisco and
>> one of his sponsors (which is cool).  He has apparently put aside other
>> commitments in order to make the date.
>>
>> Costs: Hotel for three nights, plus food.  He would pay transportation.
>> Sounds like around $500 to me.
>>
>> Features: 45 gallon bowfront aquarium delivered to winner's home store, 
>> as
>> opposed to having to be local.  I suspect this will up the auction price
>> on such a thing, and will pay for 1/3 of that fee right away.  Could we
>> sell another $300 worth of the dry goods he brings?  Probably.
>>
>> At MINIMUM, it'll give us three more roomnights, more vendor
>> room presence, and some more interest in the auction.  I don't think we
>> would be out more than a couple hundred bucks.
>>
>> In addition, it's some new information for the mid-September e-mail/forum
>> blast (in addition to hotel xtn and split rate info).  The name will
>> certainly draw a few more local fish folks to the auction.
>>
>> I said OK, and Kathy called him back.  I hope this is OK with you guys as
>> well.  If not, I beg forgiveness, and you can all flog me personally at
>> the convention and thereafter until December 1st.
>>
>> Oh, and Scott, you'll get your stats on this one.  I'll print out a
>> special set of colored tags for Ray's items that will have a particular
>> numerical range, so we will know EXACTLY how much they brought in.
>>
>>   - Erik
>>
>> PS: Kathy also talked to Jeff Senske -- he's going to be bringing some 
>> ADA
>> stuff for donation.  They're also entering the aquascaping contest this
>> year (which is good, because there's a PATHETIC turnout in the biotope 
>> and
>> paludarium categories.  Gotta keep up that reputation that "the Senske's
>> always win", instead of "those guys from Hong Kong always win").
>>
>> -- 
>> Erik Olson
>> erik at thekrib dot com
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:25:16 -0400
>> From: kingfish <kingfish51@verizon.net>
>> To: Kathy Olson <kathy@thekrib.com>
>> Subject: Greetings
>>
>> Hi Kathy & Erik
>>
>> Kingfish Services is here to help, the AGA shall be responsible for my
>> Hotel & Meals for the weekend, I shall ship all my products to San
>> Francisco Bay Brand then I can get the deliever to the hotel when time
>> comes, as for the Aquarium Set Up I shall get a letter from All-Glass
>> stating the bearer of this letter is to recieve a 46 Gallon Bow Front
>> Aquarium Set Up Tank Hood & Light, the rest of the products that go into
>> the tank I shall bring to the Convention, I shall fly into SF area on
>> thursday and try and fly out on Sunday if possible but if not I shall eat
>> the extra night hotel cost, What else can I do to help. I wish to help
>> where I can to help ease the pain on you and Erik, Scott & Karen, BOD, 
>> yes
>> other need to come forward and help. Again people are coming to these
>> conventions for Fish & Plants, so I have strongly suggested to set up a
>> quick sale table, all day Friday & Saturday, maned by volunteers of the
>> local group, its quick cash in the clubs pocket, set the prices 
>> reasonable
>> but don't give it away. I think this can helps some of the clubs cash 
>> flow
>> problems, the ACA Chicago people informed me today they made over
>> $2,000.00 cash on my products, yes more people attend the ACA the AGA
>> needs to look at future Conventions Please use me as a consultant I am
>> here to Help.
>>
>> Thanks for being there
>> Kingfish
>> Yes I would like if possible a copy of the dvd of the ACA since I am 
>> there to work and never get to hear the speakers, PLEASE.
>> Yes Erik I am working on a Legends II for the future and Yes the Olson's 
>> shall be recording it for history. Maybe an Oscar or Emmy in the Future.
>>
>> Kingfish
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