Re: [AGA-sc] Questions

[Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>]

Thing is, I checked the archives, and Bill's quotes were always for 100 
shirts.  I don't think he ever gave numbers for 50.  So we'll see what we 
can do.


On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, S. Hieber wrote:

> Bill's quotes were $10+ to $15+ depending on size or an averaged diff on 50 
> shirts of about $150. I say let's go with Erik's plan, for the good of the 
> service, God and country.
>
> sh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Cheryl Rogers <cheryl@wilstream.com>
> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:47:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Questions
>
>
> There was only a few cents per shirt difference between Bill's quote and
> mine. My last quote was $9.18 - $10.85 per shirt depending on size for
> 72 shirts.
>
> My t-shirt folks do huge runs for WalMart and AOL -- truthfully I'm not
> sure they'd be interested in a run of 50 shirts.
>
> Besides, when you factor in shipping the shirts to SF, it would be
> better for Bill to do the shirts.
>
> Cheryl
>
> S. Hieber wrote:
>>>>> see below
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>> To: aga-sc@thekrib.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:23:54 AM
>> Subject: [AGA-sc] Questions
>>
>>>>>>>> Ohhhh, those questions.
>>
>>   Another late night reading archives.
>>
>>  Scott: I'm looking at the various budget forcecasts used to predict
>> whether the convention would break even, and where it shows it happens at
>> around 80 people.  It appears these did NOT take into account auction
>> revenue, or that auction revenue is hidden from the spreadsheet.  Can you
>> elaborate?
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been assuming auction revs at 1.3 items per paid attendee 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and an avg of $8 per item gross revenue based on 2003 data and a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30% share to the convention. That's not espeically conservative 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the convention share will be higher than 30% overall 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the FAN donations are significant $s with 100% going to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the convention. But in any event, Silent and live Auction revs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are absolutely critical to this thing working out financially.
>>
>> Scott: Based on what I dug up yesterday, I think you are the one to decide 
>> if we have the budget to do T-Shirts (as opposed to asking the question
>> "Are we doing shirts?").  My only suggestion is that whoever might do the
>> printing (Bill, or Cheryl's connections) get a quote for a run of 50
>> rather than 100 shirts.  I think we'll sell around 25-50.  We can probably
>> give away shirts to volunteers as a thank-you.
>>
>>>>> It was hard to know whether to inlcude them or not. I had something small 
>>>>> for shirts that I've been using as a place holder.
>>>>> Let's figure about $650 for 50 shirts or an average of $13 each -- that 
>>>>> fits Bill's vendor's price on a lot of 100. I assume at 80 paid 
>>>>> attendees, we might sell 15 @ $15, proportionally more or less with more 
>>>>> or fewer attendees.
>>
>>>>> With those assumptions, they can generate $300-$400 in losses.  If we can 
>>>>> sell the same number of shirts at $18, then the loss on the shirts would 
>>>>> be about $230-350. The breakeven moves up by the loss divided by $59 so 
>>>>> about 5 to 9 registrations to cover the shirts. It depends very much on  
>>>>> how many we we have to buy, how much we could sell them for and how many 
>>>>> we could sell. On a financial basis, they don't make sense. They will 
>>>>> cost us and we haven't gotten close to 80 paid regs yet. So pushing the 
>>>>> breakeven bar higher might be really pressing it. Otoh, we're probably 
>>>>> within a $1000-$2000 in losses at this point rather than the $3000-$5000 
>>>>> range. And, we might even break even, there's still time for a big rush. 
>>>>> So shirts won't be a terrible burden. Still, financially, they don't make 
>>>>> sense.
>>
>>>>>> As a business decision, it could be good to get them anyway -- PR, 
>>>>>> intangibles, and all that. I say someone should buy 50 shirts if we can 
>>>>>> get them for $13 or less average cost per shirt --  and someone wants to 
>>>>>> get the >>>design , deal worth the shirts and printer, etc.. Be good to 
>>>>>> give some to staffers and sell what we can.
>>
>>>>> Should we ask Bill if he wants to order 50 shirts? ;-)  It might be salt 
>>>>> in a lot of wounds if we did our own convention design shirt at this 
>>>>> point. (although, personally, I'm partial to KR's work).
>>
>> So the narowminded Treasurer says no but I say yes to shirts.
>>
>> sh
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