Phil Eaton wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for your reply... > > I was quite curious about Gary's response, and found myself wondering what > kind of substrate do you have with your undergravel filter? > > I have only seen 1 tank with an undergravel filter and apistos and great > plant growth without any problems. It's substrate consisted of large > polished stones 1" in diameter or larger, no sand, no gravel. It was a 225 > gallon tank, and has tons of plants thriving in it, but they are all Java > fern/windelov type plants. I do believe he also has a sponge filter in one > corner of the tank as well. > > I'm sure the type of substrate makes a great deal of difference concerning > how much anerobic activity will occur. Does the force of a powerhead help > as well? > > Thanks, > > Phil Eaton > Dallas TX Hi Phil, I have a standard aquarium gravel in there, small enough for my apistos to lift and throw around. It's white, which allows me to see dirt building, but because of the planting, I only vacuum the first maybe 12cm back from the glass. The powerhead is strong, as I grow a lot of anubias nana on driftwood near the surface, and a good flow seems to help. It's a 750 litre per hour pump, aimed along the surface so the characins and apistos aren't disturbed by it. The bottom has a lot of well-established dwarf Amazon swords, two crypt. sp and a stand of java moss attached to the gravel in the corner, along with an Anubias barteri type thing and a lotus bulb on its 3rd growth spurt as I write. Current population levels, stable for months, are 5 aga alenquer females, 1 cf juruense male, 25 cardinals, 12 P georgiae, 5 C panda, 6 C atropersonatus and my daughter's 2 African frogs. I do 40% water changes every 7 to 10 days, and have lost one fish from the tank in the past 3-4 months. I think the powerhead may be key, as at that flow rate, it pulls big time. It's a pretty traditional community set-up though. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!