Mike, One problem. One of the 'maybe' females has it's black lateral spot above the lateral line and touching the dorasl. Could this be something else? Hippolytae, possibly? Don ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!