I am with John and Kathy on this one. The fact that so many commercial aquarium strains such as cacatuoides "3X Red", cacatuoides "Red Flash, etc. are able to raise their offspring contradicts the theory that parental care is learned behavior. I would blame chronic egg eating in rams on something else like hormones or environmental stress. We'll never settle this one out. Julio ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!