When I was teachng High School Agriculture ( now I'm back teaching what I'm trained to - High School Biology ) I use to do an activity with the kids to select the best cattle for breeding programs from stud brochures based on things called EBVs ( estimated breeding value ). These were a selection of characteristics that were determined to be inheritable characteristics. Among the traits was mothering ability. It seems that the ability of a female cow to instinctively look after a calf, behaviourally ( protection etc ) and physically ( milk production etc ), is determined in some way by her genetic constitution. It was also shown that parenting was a feature among cattle that would deteriorate if successive generations were removed from their mother at a very early age ( as they are with dairy cows to maintain lactation ). So it seems that in the animal world the instinctive behaviour associated with parenting is both learned and inherited to some extent. It stands to reason that some of this may also apply to our fish. Why shouldn't it when their [ cichlid ] reproductive behaviour is so complex. I'm not saying that there aren't dietary and environmental aspects to this puzzle but maybe the reason that our fish eat their fry when all other selective pressures, such as predators and disease, have been reomoved is because they may not have the genetic constitution to endere themselves to raising fry or maybe they themselves, and many generations before them, have been removed from their parents so the learnt aspect of parenting is not present. Hmmmm - all this is just speculation but maybe we should be taking more care when breeding our fish to; 1. select the parents more carefully based on features other than pretty looks, and 2. leave the fry with the parents as long as we can. This doesn't explain why wild caught fish do the same thing though inicating there is more to this than genetics or education. Who knows huh ! Regards, Simon Voorwinde ========================================================= svavev@hunterlink.net.au http://thecichlidtank.cjb.net ========================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!