Hello all, A friend and I were able to get some "apistos borelli" at the local Petsmart this past week. I know that recently we had a discussion about the mislabeling of the apistos and someone had posted a picture that looked almost identical to the fish we have. I believe the person was calling it Apisto. "blue face". My friend and I feel like it could be an Apisto ortmanni. Following is a detailed description of the fish in question. Any ideas on what the fish could be would be appreciated. The description is based on the Horste and Linke dwarf cichlids book.l <I've observed this fish quite a bit now and have decided that it is not ortmanni. Everything about it checks out with the ortmanni drawing, except that the lateral band does not extend into the caudal fin. It ends with the sixth or seventh traversal bar. There also are no abdominal stripes or markings. The dorsal fin also seems to not be seperated as much in the front rays. I also have not been able to detect a pre-orbital stripe. The super and sub are present though. The fish is overall a very nice blue color with his face being a brilliant cobalt color with motling around the cheeks and chin regions. THere is *some* reddish-yellowish coloration among the blue too. Particularly above the eyes there is a bright yellow coloration. He is eating well and doesn't seem to mind the blue ram at all. Very peaceful so far. The lateral stripe and traversal bars are very visible too. The caudal spot is very dark and covers most of the base of the caudal fin which does have the striping or blotching that the ortmanni has. I believe the fish may be a macmasteri (pg 85), although his lateral band and traversal bars are much more pronounced - likewise I cannot detect any red around the caudal fin. IT may even be something close to a caetei (pg. 40) yet his traversal bars are more pronounced and his face is MUCH bluer than the one in this picture. Caudal fin is definitely truncate too. Although different specimens will likely exhibit different characteristics.> Thanks, Bailin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!