Mike,the closest that I can describe the red as is a badly colored Mamore.Good specimens of Mamore have a almost solid red caudal fin.The Malome that I had were more orange in the caudal,like it didnt really color up the way it was suppose to.Yes it is very frustrating that nobody has a pic,as I dont have this fish anymore and I am going on memory.We dicussed this fish before and I still am confused as to what it really is. Vern ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!