Hi, recently I moved, twice instead of one time, and for sometime my fish were kind of neglected. Now i regret it very much. I lost a tankfull of H.elongatus and N.transvestitus fry, and now I have problems with rams. My rams fry develops strange symptoms. They look completely normal, untill they start to pull their tailfin rays together, and instead of triangle tail it becomes more like flat stick, and bend this tail stick down under about 45 degrees. This is the only symptom, and the next day the fish is dead. I tried coppersafe and antibiotics treatment (ampicillin), raising the temperature, they still die, and every day I collect 2-3 dead specimens. Another problem is in the tank with adult rams. Blue rams seem unaffected while gold ones have it. It manifests as a bulging eye, which apparently does not bother the fish, and it seems functional. Fish eat, drink and behave normally. One of these fish was bought without one eye, I wonder if it is the end of the bulging eye problem I see now. 84*F, pH 6.0, plants. No other fish kept at the same conditions have problems (6 tanks). Can you identify problems and help me with advice? Thanks a lot Lilia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!