Tom, Go to www.fishforyou.com I think I have a picture of the Pelvicachromis subocellatus "matadi" posted there. In any case If it's not posted let me know I can forward a picture of them to you. Sammy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!