Yeah, it was me, but the males in question turned out NOT to be caetei, so the search ended. Thanks, anyway. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!