In a message dated 01/09/00 05:21:10 GMT Daylight Time, dsatchell@lsol.net writes: > Mine responded to water changes and a small kribensis as a "target > fish". Fed them on pieces of purged earthworms. Easier than Laetecara > dorsigera to spawn, and much better parents. I agree, I conditioned them on Grindal, White and Bloodworms and when she was 'bulky' initiated spawning with a cool water change (2 deg C over full tank reduction). The tank also contained a pair of largeish Ram cichlids which were excellent targets. I think the problem with dorsigera is twofold 1.they appear to like softer water - mine spawned weekly in water at pH 5.5 - 5.8 with 100% hatch rates. 2. I think you need a young pair - mine have gone off breeding since they attained full adult size and now are showing signs of old age. Alan W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!