I've raised lots of rams and for some reason they seem to do a lot better if you can keep them with the parents for 2 days after they are free swimming. When they have been removed before that I can get big losses. Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!