The method I used to lower my GH was I did a 10 gallon water change (about 35%) with RO water every other day until I got it where it is now. Eric >b) stop fooling with the water. I'd say that was your killer. Either live with it, or >get R.O. Bear in mind you don't need soft water for many apistos, unless you intend to >breed them. Water stability is more important for keeping them alive. >The key is in how you fixed the GH. What method did you use? The timing of the die-off >suggests cause and effect. >-Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!