hey Tim i have this fish i have about 24 of them right now but only one pair. Soft, acidic water and they breed for me two weeks into their new home. I looked up under the pot and she had a nice size clutch of eggs. One hour later they were eaten. I would like to hear your stories with them. They have been going around the club here in michgan for some time I hear. I also talked to Mike Wise on the subject but he didnt have that much information other than some other people have it. well email me with questions Patrick Claytor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!