Well folks, since I posted here on this list already twice, I'll take this opportunity to introduce myself. (Thanks Max Gallade-The other German-for reminding me ) I've grown up in the 60's - 70's in a small town near Koeln (Cologne) Germany under "Old School Fish keeping" condition. Filter & Substrate cleaning once a month, Old water in a bucket, a bit plant pruning, scrubbed the algae off the glass and then the old water from the bucket back into the tank and a little bit top off straight from the tab! Well, it worked, we always had Apistos and they spawned even under these conditions. I always kept tanks of different sizes (Freshwater only). 3 years ago I moved to California (work related) and after settling in I discovered the Plant List and the Apisto List and "within a week" a was back into the hobby ! I maintain a heavy planted 100 G where I keep A.bitaeniata (blue). 1male - 5 females, they are breeders for me since quite some time and I am able to raise the fry. Interesting behavior if you have 2-3 generations in one tank. Sometimes 'Annihilation', sometimes Degeneration! Just wondering if someone on this list has made the same observation ? My 30G & 10G tanks are kind of "Experimental" tanks, where I try different set ups. My 30G is set up for a group of 5 A.pertensis, too young to sex ! I spent my time to create a natural set up for them and feed them with my Daphnia culture, I have successfully going outdoors since over a year. Well and in my 10 G I keep a couple of Otocinclos happy, I like these little suckers :-) So, I am not a Apisto specialist or breeder like so many on this list I respect, just an overall, happy Fish & Plant aficionado. 'hope my little 'resume' was appropriate for the list and since I am following both list's, I'll come out of my closet from time to time and hope to be able to give some advise or raise some questions to support the beginner or challenge the expert in one of the most rewarding hobby I found; maintaining a closed eco system ! Juergen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, firstname.lastname@example.org. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email email@example.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!