I've never come across a true albino apisto, either. There is a cacatuoides "gold" in the trade, but it is not particularly light in color, say nothing about true albino. There are "gold" (Xanthitic) rams, but these are neither albinos nor apistos. Close enough to both, however, to suggest it is possible. I've heard argument that the relatively small effort in captive breeding is the most significant reason for this outcome. There just is not a sufficiently significant population of captive-raised fry to result in the statistically improbable occurance of an albino. Further, you would not see albinos from native shipments (still a major source of trade apistos) because they are naturally weeded out by predators. I'm not sure if I buy this though. It would seem that some of the albino africans, in particular, occured relatively soon after their initial introduction into the hobby. Even thought they might be bred in greater numbers, the short lenght of time they were available still restricts the total population observed prior to identification of an albino. A comparitive example might be the propensity for albinos in other cichlids that have been artificially raised in large number. For instance, has anyone (particularly the old timers) seen an albino Egyptian mouthbrooder? While not prevelant now, these once were easily bred and therefore widely available. Certainly, if only a statistical phenominon, it would seem that this species would have yielded an albino long ago. Additionally, while there are albino angels available now, these have only become available recently (last 5 years or so). Given the millions spawned each year, and the decades they have been spawned over, why did we not see albinos back in the '60s and '70s? Kribs, on the other hand, have had an albino form in the hobby for decades. Are there other possible arguments related to the "strength" of a given species genetics or something similar that might explain the lack of albino apistos? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Max Gallade [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:08 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Re: albinos I think there are some od cacatouides colorforms out there.Gold or albino if i remember right.I have a lighter colored viejita male in my bunch of 50+ juvi's but I wouldn't call him an albino. Max >From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Brian Berggoetz) >Reply-To: email@example.com >To: firstname.lastname@example.org >Subject: albinos >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:52:14 -0500 (EST) > >I'm just curious. Why aren't there any apisto albinos or gold morphs? >There are all kind of african albinos. Inquiring minds want to know. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, email@example.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email firstname.lastname@example.org. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!