the plant mailing list (i assume this is the one you want) is Aquatic-Plants@actwin.com and i believe you can find an archive at http://www.actwin.com/fish/aquatic-plants/index.php cameron ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!