I don't think that it is ich. the temperature in my tanks is over 80 degrees . I have an average mortality rate of 33% of any new fish that I bring into the system. I don't think that "{you guy's}" are sending out sick fish to me in the mail . I have had this problem for a lot longer than I have been buying fish over the net. I had given up treating this problem a long time ago but apisto's cost more than regular cichlids and it is very upsetting to see your new "little jewels" gasping for oxygen then dying . Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peace And Freedom sal wrote: > Look close if they have ich..(for ich I have a different cure with no > medicine). otherwise what has worked for me is Formaldehyde 15%.. be careful > and follow directions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!