Rik, Here is my 2¢. Yawning & minor itching are nothing to worry about. What worries me is the per centage of losses you have in your fish! Your losses are much higher than anything I've seen while retailing or wholesaling fish in the past. Have you checked the nitrate (not nitrite) levels in your tank lately? I've seen excess itching in tanks with low pH plus high nitrate levels. If they are very "spooky", darting around the tank at the smallest movement from outside, this usually indicates a low level toxin has gotten into the tanks. Before trying any more medications on your tank, I'd suggest 25% water changes ever day for a week and see if this helps. Mike Wise Rik Vandiver wrote: > I have just treated my fish with "clout" for itching on the rocks in the > tank. this did not work . What do I use next ? They also yawn and dart > about the tank . The itching will start on new fish after only a short > time in the tank. Also do fish yawn if they have some kind of parasite? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!