There is an informal Discus Club that is a good place to ask questions. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/discusclub Steev ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!