Nathan, If you can find the DATZ magazines, I can email you my English translations. The translation will not be very useful without the photos in the original article. The Rio Orosa is a small tributary of the Rio Amazonas (Peruvian Amazon River). It is a south bank river between Iquitos & Pebas. One of the forms of A. sp. Winkelfleck comes from there. By the way, I made a mistake. Fish from the Rio Nanay & nearby drainages do not belong to the Ucayali system. Therefore the following are not from the Ucayali system: A. sp. Winkelfleck/Angle spot A. cf. juruensis (Black chin) A. payaminonis A. sp. Lyretail "Panduro" nathan hunnam wrote: > wow thanks thad helps alot. i dont speak germany but the english book might be a grayt help. > is RIO OROSA one of hte tributaries > tini kuismanen > finland > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!