Are you saying your apistos will eat these too? Come up to the surface to eat insects? The Nijsenni certainly do, you can see them waiting for me to switch the light on! The Pandurini don't but they're in a deeper tank and a bit "slow" and they're also being pushed around by the Rams. The Rams are the most obvious beggars for the lights, and also they are the most fearless, quartering any insect unfortunate enough to fall in. They seem to use their mouths as shears and gradually cut the insect up. C:-)lin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.