Scott, I got you pics. Like you said, they are fuzzy camcorder shots - and dark besides. I finally got a chance to clean them up. Your fish is definitely an eunotus-complex species. The male has all of the diagnostic features: deep body that's laterally compressed, steep upper head profile with a flatter jaw line, high dorsal with pointed but not serrated spiny portion, orange spot at the insertion of the pectoral fins, a clear to very faintly spotted caudal fin that's usually orange & a relatively broad zigzag lateral band. I might be imagining it, but I think I can even see a split in vertical Bar 6 on your fish. Brooding females usually show the lateral band as a series of patches mostly behind (posterior of) the lateral fleck - like yours. Your fish are very similar to A. cf. eunotus (Orangeschwanz/Orange-tail) because of the extremely orange colored tail. Look at Linke's photo of A. eunotus in L&S. I'm pretty sure it's the same form as yours. This form can develop very long dorsal & anal fin extensions. The tail starts off round, but eventually the back squares off and some males even get short extensions on the upper & lower tips. I believe that this form is the true A. eunotus, but am not absolutely sure. Thus the "cf." moniker. Mike Wise Scott wrote: > Mike, did you get the pictures I sent? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.