I am happy to anounce that as of today I have found free-swimming fry from my pair of Lyretail Panduro. I went away for the week and came home to find fry. I did a 50% water change and threw in a bunch of mosquito larvae before I left. It's weird how they always seem to decide to spawn when they get ignored. I can't tell how many fry there are, as the female is very secretive and refuses to bring the fry out. She has them hidden in the very back of the aquarium behind a piece of driftwood and a cave. The only reason I know there are fry is that I got curious that the female wasn't out, so I looked down the row of tanks into theirs from the side and saw a couple of fry peek out. I'm very happy to finally get a spawning, as I've been trying for a while. They were spawned in the following conditions: Tank size: 20 long, heavily planted(Hygro, Sunset Hygro, Java Moss, Foxtail, Water Spritge, Rotala), flourite substrate, Clay caves, driftwood. Temperature: 79F pH: 4.97 dKH: <3 They were conditioned on frozen brine shrimp, mysis shrimp, and live mosquito larvae and blackworms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.