Hey, Ade! No, I'm no longer playing with those guys. I had a trio or a quad in a 36" 24 gal. tank w/lots of "stuff" (wood and rocks and what few plants would survive). Very acidic water, almost pure R/O w/trace elements added. Large, frequent water changes. Peat and peat extract. Low light. Warm. Live (mostly) and good frozen live. They took a long time to get around to spawning (forget how long), and unlike filimentosus chose hard surfaces as versed to leaves. Eggs laid on wood did significantly better than eggs laid on rock. Never hatched a single egg in the main tank. Never had too many eggs, and never hatched more than half of what there were. Fry not difficult once they're out of danger from the dreaded fungus (i.e., a couple of weeks old)... cleanliness IS next to godliness w/fry! Hope this helps some, and best of luck! Martha ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.