Al, Nice larceny you got to pull, there! From some experience (not that it will necessarily apply to all): maybe a bit more acidic, maybe larger tank (maybe two tanks), live food (live live, not frozen live), TINY spawning cavities in wood - 1/2" deep, wide enough for a pencil... Really nice fish, REALLY odd behaviors (don't have a heart attack when you find a "dead" male floating vertically in the water!), pretty intolerant of each other, different from anything else I've ever kept, and I really liked them... enjoy! Martha ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.