[David Sanchez] John the overidding factor is the water quality. And that goes in 2 parts. One is having the proprer and correct parameters the secound in maintaining very good water quality which translates to low DOC's as can be measured by our counductivty. [John McCrone] I've never focused on conductivity simply because a meter seemed expensive - over £100 in the UK from memory. DOC is dissolved organic content? And is this what is directly measured by a conductivity measure? I use London water which I presume is high in DOCs already - it certainly tastes that way and I even carbon filter it for my own consumption! I use an RO unit in the hope that most of the crud is removed, then add about 10 percent tap water (which is GH of 15-20 and pH of 7.5-8). My fish never survived that long until I switched to RO. Do you think eggs are more vunerable than fry to water quality? Now that I have fry, I am debating when to do the next water change. Normally I would change about a third every other week on this 20 gallon tank, well planted, with only two little rams. But in the past, I've had a lot of fry (of other apisto breeds) die after about a week. This didn't matter as I could only house enough survivors to replace their parents. But if you want a high survival rate, what is the balance between water changes and disruption? Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------ from John McCrone ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.