Come to mention it, I have been tryiong to hunt down some local cichlids people and society's. I've been living away for a few years, and when I return all my local societies have gone pop! I cant get any high qulaity dwarfs from stores in my local area ( atleast you have the likes of BAS), and I always have an eye for the unusual. You wouldnt know where I could get microworm and white worm starter cultures from my nay chance would you Pete? I've drawn a complete blank from stores, people and even out the back of a magazines? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Liptrot, Pete <pete.liptrot@bolton.gov.uk> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: RE: fish deaths > >I'm in Northeren England ( Teesside Area). > > Ah good, another Northerner (but from the Eastern side). That means you > will instantly be a highly skilled and thoughtful aquarist.... > You do have some very knowledgable dwarf cihlid enthusiasts in your area, if > you are not yet a member of your local society it could be a really > worthwhile move. > > >At the moment, I'm not sure these deaths were related to >internal worms > > I agree, having read all your post (I picked up your query from someone > else's reply). > I'd check that your Nitrate test isn't out of date, as they can become > highly inaccurate over a pretty short period of time. > If the fish were larger I'd think that maybe you'd been sold old fish that > were at the end of their lives, but that doesn't fit with the details of the > fish you give. > Do you feed live tubifex? Depending on source this can carry all sorts of > evil plagues that 'do in' Apistos. > It is puzzling, you definitely seem to know what you are doing and I'd be > happy to put most Apistos apart from the real blackwater obligates into your > tanks. > There are a couple of other minor things, if they are ingesting relatively > big chunks of cooked chicken they may be unable to digest this which could > give them big problems, make sure that any frozen foods you buy have never > been defrosted while in transit (most important, particularly with bloodworm > and artemia), and bear in mind that, depending on species, Rainbows and > Apistos generally require different conditions, so if you are compromising > to accomodate both it could be better to decide on one or the other. Bigger > Melanotaenia will probably be too boisterous for Apistos anyway. > As has been mentioned, the Bolivian Rams and Kribs in particular should be > thriving in your tanks. > Bear with it, everyone I think sometimes has these frustrating episodes that > are difficult to pin down. > Pete. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.