Ok I have been inspired by max's tank. In Florida we do not have the same oak trees that you guys have up north but the leaf is much smaller but from what I have seen it is an oak tree. Are these leaves as good for the water as other oak leaves? I am going to set up a natural tank myself here very cool. One other a friend of mine would like to join the listcould someone please tell me how to again. thanks for the help. One last thing this is off topic but I though I would share it it was realy funny. Lets call it the Twin towers strike back.... All of the rubble from New York... all the huge blocks of concrete and steel, the old busted up computers, refrigerators, hot waterheaters, air conditioners, fire trucks, Lazyboy recliners, broken glass, etc., should be shoveled into C130's and C5A's, flown over Iraq and Afghanistan and dropped from 32,000 feet. An old Coldspot can do a heck of a lot of damage from 5 miles up! With each assault we can drop pamphlets: "Greetings, from the 110th floor of the World Trade Center". The next day it could be from the 109th floor... Then the 108th floor, the 107th, etc., etc. After 110 days of this, I can't imagine much left standing on the ground. Can't you just see the headlines : "WORLD TRADE CENTER STRIKES BACK!" What wonderful irony this would be and think how much money we wouldn't have to spend on new bombs or missiles! ... not to mention the 100-million tons diverted from the New York City landfill... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.