Hello Ed If you can wait until spring and warmer shipping weather, i can or should be able to provide you with some nice borellii. I just recently had a big spawn 50+ from some gorgeous yellow throat borellii that i picked up in Cleveland at the Ohio Cichlid Associations Extravaganza last month. I have 2 pairs spawning in the same 10 gallon tank, nice to see no fighting going on with the males and no fin nipping going on at all with all 4 fish in that tank. On a different note..... maybe a great note.... i am keeping my fingers crossed.... My female Apisto sp Maulbruter is yellow and guarding a flower pot entrence since yesterday afternoon. OH God i hope that theres eggs in there. These fish are just awesome looking. Be the best Christmas gift i could get this year!!!! Tundra John 21F and snowing....Gonna be a white Xmas here in the Adk Mts.... Happy Holidays to all!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.