I'll stick up for you Yvan.... i didnt curse you like David says i probably did.... my tap water is only a pH of 6.0.... but if it makes you feel any better..... @#$#$@ John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.