It was easy to catch the female since she was in a 20L breeding tank with her young fry as her only company. By the time the fry are old enough to go into growout tank by themselves, I can always catch the mother fish in the fairly heavily planted breeding tank by baiting it with live food. Usually she is the first one in. I can kinda relate to that being a mother of three rowdy kids. Tomoko ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.