I have the perfect answer for anyone who has fish that just wont spawn for them, ..... send them to me..... lol.... just kidding. Sometimes when i get a pair/trio/group of fish that just dont seem to want to spawn for me, I feed them very heavy for a few days with live foods as much as i can, then i move the entire group to a newly set up tank... I set the tank up about 3 days before i plan to move the fish, wait for a weather front to come through the area and then i move the fish to the new tank, just as the storm front hits..... this seems to trigger the fish to spawn for me.... kind of like new rain water falling in the wild....Oh, I almost forgot... make the new tank about 2 degrees cooler then the other tank... this also simulates cooler rainfall i think. Anyways, this method has worked for me with several species of apistos and works great for spawning corys. Just my $.02 worth Springtime Johnny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto