Our first thought was A. broad band, but it does look a little like A. brevis. The two bottom pictures are of another male from the same hatch, but is on a white substrate. Amazing how they can change colors. Notice the two small horizontal lines in the caudal fin on the upper and lower edge. That is the first time I have seen that before. Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto