I gave up trying to get some female trifasciata, I went through 8 fish and no females, doesn't look like any at the lfs. I took them back tonight and traded for a pair of borellii and 2 pair of M. ramirezi. Maybe I will have better luck. thanks Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto