Sal Definition of Cichlidiot: Person that devotes an enormous amount of time, money, effort, and energy acquiring and keeping Cichlids. Used as a mark of pride among many of us when we describe the form our addiction to fish keeping takes. Definatly NOT a derogatory term. Cichlidiots generally only recognize 6 types of fish Cichlids, Catfish, Dithers, Targets, Feeders, and Dinner. Hope that helps cool the flames. If you evaluate the amount of money that many of us who keep these creatures spend, the time and energy we spend getting the water right making food collecting live foods culturing little critters that disgust non aquarists, keeping the enormous scope of the endeavor secret from our loving but not understanding spouses. All to keep these little gray brown fishes alive knowing that that little fish you just spent $50 each for six is probably going to die. If you weren't a serious aquarist you might conclude that we are "Idiots" hence the Cichlidiot term. See, nothing derogatory or unpleasant there. I personally qualify as a Cichlidiot the ACA is the keeper of my 12 step program. Acceptance is the key to expanding my little watery kingdom and getting the latest aquatic gem to spawn. cichlids of all continents fascinate me (can it really be a continent if they have no naturally occurring cichlids i.e. Europe?). Though I am trying desperately to limit myself to soft water species I fear that that will be a failing effort. Hope this Cools the Flames of Ire. -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of salS Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:46 AM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: New Apisto Did I read this right!? did you just call African Rift Cichlids die-hart "IDIOTS!!".. "I hope it was meant as a joke or I miss-interpreted it!" ...If not..get ready for a verbal / e-mail "shellacking!!"...Many of us also keep African Cichlids and love them just as much as S.A. dwarfs.. Sal ----- Original Message ----- From: William Vannerson To: apisto@listbox.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: New Apisto >>>The fish that got the "oohs & ahs" was the Highfin "Nijsseni" form from Peru ... It was more like involuntary gasps for air. I think even some of the die-hard African Rift Cichl-idiots were amazed! If this fish does become available in the states, watch out for the feeding frenzy and high prices. Mike, any idea if it's easy or hard to breed? BTW, excellent presentation. Folks attending the ACA will be impressed, especially since he's upgrading some of his slides. My only complaint was that an hour was too short of time to cover Apistos in depth, especially considering that the Apisto world is changing so fast these days with new fish introductions and scientific analysis in the works. sigh... Bill Vannerson McHenry, IL http://vannerson.home.att.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader