I've heard this about the Maulbruter. They sound like real toughies, but half the fun is in the challenge. At least they'll look pretty in their tanks whether they're spawning or not. But I hope out of 75 fish I can get at least one pair that likes to breed for me. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader